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   Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 03:19:24 JST Christmas Sun

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   @grillchen I believe statistics say that 95% of wildfires in cali are human-caused (10% arson)
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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 03:42:34 JST Christmas Sun

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     @ignaloidas @grillchen that area has had fires since before humans because of its geography, but the introduction of humans is what made them catastrophically large.
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     Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 03:42:35 JST Ignas Kiela

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     @sun@shitposter.world @grillchen@brotka.st I mean there's fairly few cases that fire "just happens", most of it is human-caused one way or another. Electrical lines sparking or arcing is human-caused, but isn't meaningfuly an intentional fire.

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     tiskaan2@misskey.bubbletea.dev's status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 03:49:42 JST tiskaan2

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     @sun@shitposter.world @ignaloidas@not.acu.lt @grillchen@brotka.st if you dont let nature burn on it own range it comes to bite you back with a massive rebound fire

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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 03:55:38 JST Christmas Sun

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     @ignaloidas @grillchen I'm agreeing with you, just noting that the conditions for fires have always been there, the native plants are even evolved around it.
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     Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 03:55:39 JST Ignas Kiela

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     @sun@shitposter.world @grillchen@brotka.st Eh, not sure if that's necessarily true.
     
     Natural fires are way rarer, because you need an ignition source (lightning I guess), and dry enough conditions for said ignition source to actually ignite and propagate.
     
     With humans, both the ignition sources are way more common, and the ignition sources are way more potent, able to start fires without needing for it to be that dry.
     
     I feel like that's the biggest reason for more fires - more and more potent ignition sources.

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     7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 04:08:06 JST 7666

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     @sun @grillchen @ignaloidas my general understanding in these matters is that climate change can be blamed for some level of worsening but almost never as the root cause.
     
     Can you blame the winds being a little stronger or the droughts being a little worse due to 125 years of humans shoving shit in the atmosphere? Yeah maybe. But climate change doesn't magically cause sparks and embers. The same sort of argument of climate vs. weather will get thrown right back at you if you try and for good reason
     
     This is not to belittle what damage climate change can do, but only that people should place the blame at the correct culprits so we can find solutions that actually work and not just do more political grandstanding
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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 04:14:00 JST Christmas Sun

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     @7666 @grillchen @ignaloidas Yeah. I was thinking also of the recent issue about house insurance being canceled for people in the Midwest. Headline for several articles blamed climate change but article itself didn't go into detail. So I researched further and found that the real reason was, there were all these areas that insurance companies wouldn't cover because tornadoes always happen there. Well, along come realtor and construction lobbies, they want to build there so they get states to force insurance companies to cover it. Fast forward 20 years, it turns out no we should not build in some areas, even if in a corporate "democracy" you can take bribes to force it to happen. Then blames it on climate change because climate change made tornadoes worse, even though we already should never have built there.
     
     Same with coastal regions, where 30 years ago I was told that they would all be underwater by now. They're not, but hurricanes are smashing houses and they're collapsing. Well, no shit, during the housing boom people built cardboard houses on the water. Still not climate change.
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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 04:17:16 JST Christmas Sun

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     @7666 @grillchen @ignaloidas One of the articles showed a house on the water dramatically collapsing. I looked up the house on google maps and discovered it was built in the 1970s and was basically a dump on stilts before a hurricane finally knocked it over. It was like 700,000 dollar house because of the real estate bubble, not because it was a nice house. Again not even saying climate change isn't real, but every time a news article blames it for stuff I found out the truth was different.
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