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   dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 04:27:18 JST dilbert 1

   • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
   @weeble I think we are but it can be overcome with civilization. It also means though that defecting needs to be punished severely.
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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 04:36:05 JST dilbert 1

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @weeble People are:
     
     1. selfish
     2. social
     
     our social instinct makes us want to please people in the in-group. group survival instinct. our selfish instinct makes us want to take advantage of the ingroup secretly sometimes (defection), and you definitely have to be taught to care about outgroup because it's actually a loser strategy for the individual but good for a culture bigger than the dunbar number.
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     Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿 (weeble@fedi.bungle.online)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 04:36:08 JST Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿

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     @sun@shitposter.world I don't think ppl need to be taught to be selfless.
     
     Also what does pooping have to do with this?

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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 04:45:15 JST dilbert 1

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     @weeble I think you have two wolves inside you and the one that wins is the one your environment feeds. I think the job of society is to create incentives for our good instincts and disincentives for our bad ones.
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     Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿 (weeble@fedi.bungle.online)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 04:45:17 JST Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿

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     @sun@shitposter.world So we're social... But not really because it's only with people in our immediate vicinity?
     
     And we're also selfish.... But not enough to where we don't care for those in our immediate vicinity?

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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 05:05:23 JST dilbert 1

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @weeble I am still trying to decide if empathy is natural or taught, I am leaning toward taught because its often really hard to get people to see things from another perspective beside their own. Like sometimes you can if you just remind them, but they have to be reminded.
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     Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿 (weeble@fedi.bungle.online)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 05:05:26 JST Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿

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     @sun@shitposter.world I think empathy plays a bigger part. Simply understanding what it's like to be helpless or be helped is what encourages to be kind.
     
     Saying people wouldn't be good to each other because of societal laws is like saying men would rape or people wouldn't work without some outside factor holding them accountable.
     
     I think the job of society is to provide safety to the weak/needy and make life easier for those in it.

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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 05:06:41 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @sun @weeble I'm with you in leaning toward taught.
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     new me new me (lebronjames75@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 05:52:20 JST new me new me

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @sun @weeble both and neither of course.
     the purpose of empathy is (multi-faceted) to teach to children via familial members the following: correct self-behaviors and detecting other's behaviors+intent+goals.
     empathy needs to work between people that emotionally deeply care about each other.
     a mother lifts his arm, toddler lifts his arm. they both move their arms together and touch.
     it can work with more people than the ones you just care about, and that's fine, but can be stressful if overworking. if it works less, then that's autism. if it doesn't work at all, then that's severe autism/borderlining on psychopathy. good trained empathy lets a person know what another's intents are. the more you get to train your empathy related neurons, the more experience you have in correctly instinctively assessing someone's intent, desires, emotional state.
     
     generally it starts working at age 1 year old, and there are some built-in starter simple empathy learning actions (example, showing one's tongue, basic muscle movement mimicry). Empathy works mostly on audiovisual input, speech is rather recent.
     
     to understand someone's feelings, one needs the following two prerequisites: naturally care about person (or actively attempt to care if brought to attention), and having gone through something similar on an emotional level previously
     
     you can read about "mirror neurons" if you want a very detailed explanation rabbit-hole.
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     Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 05:53:17 JST Dad

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @sun @weeble >dunbar number
     I think you mean monkeysphere
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     dilbert 1 (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 05:59:19 JST dilbert 1

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     @weeble I think people are born selfish and mean and have to be taught to be good. The extent to which we are not mean is because we evolved a group strategy that at best has to be adapted to things like generally being kind. kids are ridiculously cruel unless you teach them not to be.
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     Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿 (weeble@fedi.bungle.online)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jan-2025 05:59:21 JST Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿

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     @sun@shitposter.world I think you're just around shitty people and have a low opinion of humanity.