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   Nathan Schneider (ntnsndr@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 07:37:16 JST Nathan Schneider

   I hate to say it right now, but democracy depends on obedience. The question right now: Where does your obedience lie?

   Just out in America Magazine: https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2025/01/08/democracy-trump-inauguration-249630

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     Matt Noyes (matt_noyes@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 08:44:53 JST Matt Noyes

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     @ntnsndr Always eager to read a new piece of yours!

     The On the Waterfront/Salt of the Earth contrast is not great. The collective struggle of ILA members against the mob, at great personal cost, was in no way anti-union. The "labor priests" who supported workers played a key, rebellious, role. And, as Bert Cochran detailed in his book Labor and Communism, the influence of Stalinism in unions like the Mine, Mill, and Smelter Workers was often harmful to democratic worker self-organization.

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     Nathan Schneider (ntnsndr@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 08:58:17 JST Nathan Schneider

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     • Matt Noyes

     @Matt_Noyes That's fair. Though I think it's also important to read Waterfront through the particular context of Kazan's anti-communist testimony. There are some good papers on the comparison, eg: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07393180216562