@GossiTheDog Couldn't reverse thrust because down an engine, no breaks and a short runway with no overrun zone. Looks like it goes straight into an embankment/wall. Terrible set of circumstances.
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Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 17:40:43 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide -
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Thibault D. (thibaultdu@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 17:43:45 JST Thibault D. @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog yeah, high speed gliding was doing fine until plane hit the wall.
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Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 17:49:07 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide @ThibaultDu @GossiTheDog Three of my relatives were commercial airline pilots and my grandpa used to say the most challenging airport he flew into was Hong Kong's in the 70's. It was built on reclaimed land, surrounded by water and mountains prevented a straight on approach, so you have to do a sharp right angle right over the city to land using visual markers. I have a film of him landing there as a passenger somewhere.
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Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 17:55:49 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide @peter @GossiTheDog It looks like they touched down with the gear only partially deployed. I think you can see a bit of the front landing gear 1/3rd of the way down and nothing of the rear gear. Maybe they lost hydraulics along with the bird strike? Didn't have time to manually crank it down? No time/not enough thrust for a go-around?
Had they already declared an emergency prior to the bird strike and were coming in for a belly landing or something?
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Peter (peter@thepit.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 17:55:50 JST Peter @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog what i want to know is, why no landing gear **plus** bird strike??
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Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 18:11:00 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide @peter @GossiTheDog One early report I read said that fire trucks didn't reach the plane for like 25 minutes after the crash, which implies a very poor operational readiness and that they probably weren't informed much in advance of the crash. You certainly don't have foam on the runways and such.
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Peter (peter@thepit.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 18:11:01 JST Peter @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog someone on Reddit pointed out there would have been fire trucks assembled and such if they knew it was an emergency landing, but maybe they are just out of the shot.
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Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 18:30:18 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide Looks like they hit the ILS array and then the outer concrete wall at the south end of the airport and that's ultimately what caused all the death.
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Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 18:31:54 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide @f4grx @GossiTheDog From what I can tell from the video, the pilot layed the plane down really well and it basically went right down the runway and into the ILS system at the end and then into a concrete outer wall. Might have been fully survivable with a longer runway.
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F4GRX Sébastien (f4grx@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 18:31:56 JST F4GRX Sébastien @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog is it an obstacle on the front of the runway or on the side of it? I cant tell from the video.
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Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 18:36:22 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide @f4grx @GossiTheDog Looks like there is a zone on the north end of the runway which might be being cleared for an extension. And the south end looks like it could have been made something like 650 meters with different road routing. Doesn't even need to be runway, just a soft spillover zone. Instead they ran at speed into substantial metal and concrete.
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Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 18:39:13 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide @f4grx @peter @GossiTheDog Possibly the hydraulics failed with the bird strike. They landed on their belly and because of the dead engine, they couldn't have reversed thrust, because you would have had thrust only coming from one engine, which would have sent the plane sideways. They basically had no way to slow down except friction with the ground and maybe flaps.
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F4GRX Sébastien (f4grx@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 18:39:15 JST F4GRX Sébastien @peter @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog bird strike does not sound like the main problem for me, the plane reached the rwy threshold just fine. Too fast sure, but it was fine down to the ground. Why didnt the gear come down?
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Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 19:07:52 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide @uint8_t @f4grx @peter @GossiTheDog Seems like they hit the birds on approach and may have lost hydraulics to put the landing gear down. In such a situation, putting it down immediately rather than attempting to circle and see if more control could be regained may have seemed the better option. Far as I can see, the pilot did a good job putting the plane down, there just wasn't enough runway.
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Z̈oé ⛵ (uint8_t@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 19:07:53 JST Z̈oé ⛵ @f4grx @Infoseepage @peter @GossiTheDog my question is why didn’t they redirect to a different airport with longer runway and burn off fuel while doing so? maybe both engines were damaged or had more hydraulic issues requiring immediate landing? We’ll see when the FDR is analyzed.
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F4GRX Sébastien (f4grx@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 19:07:54 JST F4GRX Sébastien @Infoseepage @peter @GossiTheDog I agree with you.
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Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 19:47:01 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide @f4grx @peter @GossiTheDog No idea, but they didn't get the landing gear down in the minutes after the bird strike. That was either with intent or because of an inability to do so.
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F4GRX Sébastien (f4grx@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 19:47:02 JST F4GRX Sébastien @Infoseepage @peter @GossiTheDog the hydraulics loss if confirmed is a concern. There seem to be two independent circuit in boeing planes, right? I'll have to find details about that. There should be an electric pump and the ram turbine in last resort. Were both circulations damaged and unable to retain pressure? That thing happened on boeings previously. I dont remember that flight where fan blades traversed the hull and severed several hydraulics circuits.
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