BeAware
To people complaining about the Nostr bridge today, (the one that's been here for years now) you DO know that there's no way to tell what anyone is doing with your public posts, right?
There's even a RSS feed that cannot be turned off for EVERY Mastodon account that anyone can read and you'd never even know...
If you want privacy, post privately. If you're posting publicly, you have no expectation of privacy.
#Fedi #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon #Nostr #Mostr #SocialMedia
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@BeAware I think even "secure mode"/authorized tech doesn't turn off account RSS feeds!
Cosicas
@BeAware this is not about our posts, he is making clones of our accounts without explicit consent; which I understand is illegal in Europe ( and european servers).
He could just implement #ActivityPub and forget about the bridge, but here we are.
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@miscosicas Umm, that's how ActivityPub itself works! It creates a "cloned" profile! If that's your reasoning, then it means every single instance that follows ActivityPub should be defederated.
Your profile, right now, has been "cloned" by every ActivityPub server, containing posts that they've seen since you appeared on their server.
Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣
@miscosicas By using any ActivityPub powered instance, you granted explicit permission for your account to be "cloned".
Cosicas
@youronlyone @BeAware as far as I know, this guy cloned my profile outside the fediverse without asking first. It is not in the fediverse but outside.
BeAware
@miscosicas @youronlyone your entire account can be read outside of the Fediverse if someone uses the RSS feed.
Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣
@BeAware Exactly!
Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣
@miscosicas It doesn't matter if it is without or within the Fediverse network, the process is the same, you have a "cloned" profile.
Also, not every Fediverse account shows up on the NOSTRich network. Like how it is in the Fediverse network, you won't show up unless someone follows your account. It doesn't even work 100% of the time, there are accounts that just won't work.
Besides, again, anything you post publicly is public. Yes, it is true and understandable that there will be conversations that you won't be able to track. But that is happening even here in the Fediverse network!
Anyone can just take a screenshot of your public post (or a private post if you have a follower who hates you for some reason), and post it somewhere on the Internet and say all sorts of things about you. That's just how it is. An evil person will find ways to make your life and mine miserable.
So, blaming the technology because of some undesirables, is no different from blowing up the bridge connecting Canada and the USA because some undesirables are using that bridge to cross over. Innocents will be affected. There will be uncounted collateral damages.
Right now, the best is to just block the undesirables as they come, not the entire tool.
But if your instance chooses to block the entire tool, then good for you. (But bad for others in your instance if they want to use it.)
Don't hate the technology.
Besides, people complained about Bridgy and Threads. The minority yet loud voices forced Bridgy to implement opt-in, while a similar minority and loud voices "fediblock" Threads. Why not do the same for Mostr, Eclipse, Momostr, and every Nostr bridge out there? What's the standard for such different approaches?
Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣
@miscosicas I've been a victim of identity theft, and this "cloning" be it without or within the Fediverse, is not even close to the real deal. And I've been a victim as well of people talking about me without knowing it, because they took a screenshot of what I said, _privately_ at that, and posted it elsewhere I didn't know until someone told me.
My only options were (a) ignore it (a.k.a. don't feed the trolls); (b) sue them; and/or (c) make a statement.
Evil people, and people who hates us for some reason only them knows, will always find ways to make our lives miserable. Been there, a lot of times. But here I am, still using social networks and believes in #BringDownTheWalls and #BuildBridgesNotWalls since 2008 when the Fediverse first went online.
Right now, there's no one solution that won't affect the innocents just because of some undesirables. Personally, the innocents far outweighs those undesirables. 🙂
Cosicas
@youronlyone @BeAware I appreciate the time you took in explaining everything, but my points still: is the cloning of my profile outside the fediverse, where I don't have control over it, what I don't like. And that could violate the European LGPD (mastodon.social is hosted in Germany).
BeAware
@miscosicas @youronlyone I understand. However my entire point is that this happens within Fedi itself. Pleroma has the ability to deny delete requests from other servers, as well as make "private" posts public without the original posters knowledge or consent, which also violates European data laws.
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