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   Rev. caffinepwrd ☕ (caffinepwrd@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 08:33:57 JST Rev. caffinepwrd ☕

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   @Radical_EgoCom I disagreed but Luigi has really made me question my choice. The United healthcare practices violence on a mass scale.

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     The way I see it, if a mean, even if it's something that is usually seen as unethical by society, can achieve a positive end, such as the liberation of the working class from capitalism, then it should not immediately be taken off the table and should at least be considered.

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 20:57:12 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     If the change that is won is the abolition of capitalism, then having nonviolent voices dominate would likely be detrimental to this new non-capitalist society because violence will be necessary to repress counter-revolution and the restoration of capitalism, something that I mentioned in greater detail in the longer thread that I previously sent you.

     https://mastodon.social/@Radical_EgoCom/113728003931362598

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     @Radical_EgoCom I see that. Looking back on social change since recorded history, non-violent means are always complimented by violence. I'm begging to see both may be needed. Shit the founding fathers tried peaceful redress.

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     Lee 🌏 (mrlee@aus.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 20:57:13 JST Lee 🌏

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     @caffinepwrd @Radical_EgoCom
     "non-violent means are always complimented by violence."
     This is because everyone acts out their frustration in different ways. What matters is that non-violent voices dominate, especially when change is won.

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 21:11:38 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     @MrLee @caffinepwrd

     Are you actually going to explain how nonviolent resistance can stop or prevent counter-revolution or civil unrest, or do you not know? All this and your previous responses have done is criticize violent repression without showing how nonviolence can prevent or stop counter-revolution and civil unrest.

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     Lee 🌏 (mrlee@aus.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 21:11:39 JST Lee 🌏

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     @Radical_EgoCom @caffinepwrd
     "violence will be necessary to repress counter-revolution"
     But you must understand that there will be a much greater desire for "counter-revolution" if a significant number of people have had extreme violence inflicted on them. As MLK points out.
     "Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness."
     Why would people support change when it just meant more violence? That only helps the "counter-revolution"