Elena Rossini ⁂
You know what? I'm gonna share ALL my #LinuxNewbie struggles - even the embarrassing fiascos - in case they may help fellow newbies.
Today's face palm moment: I spent over 30 minutes struggling with the copy and paste shortcuts. Yes, I'm aware on Linux they are Ctrl + Shift + C and Ctrl + Shift + V... but nothing worked.
I even tried a second keyboard, thinking my Italian QWERTY was to blame. Same thing with my US Bluetooth keyboard... until I realized: I needed to turn on the caps lock too 🤦♀️
Elena Rossini ⁂
@damonism whaaat?!? 🤯 I was not aware of that, so THANK YOU for the heads-up.
I basically get in trouble every 10 seconds because I mindlessly use Mac shortcuts... and strange/unintended things invariably happen 😂
damon
@_elena It’s not just you – copy and paste on Linux is a nightmare (wait until you find out how many apps have their own copy/paste buffers which they don’t share with other apps by default). But full points for persisting.
Elena Rossini ⁂
@derralf oh I read about things I could do with Linux with a mouse with a scrolling wheel - when I was despairing about nothing working.
Sadly I have an Apple mouse, which has ZERO buttons.
But I'm currently at my parents' in Italy, I'm certain I may find a proper mouse somewhere - asking my dad now 😅
ralf warümme tauscher
@_elena have a 3 buttons mouse? one of the things i miss the most on other systems is the mouse buffer.
1. mark some text eith the mouse pointer
2. pressing the middle button (wheel) let the text out again.
one of a thousand possible replies ;)
Elena Rossini ⁂
@nene9 thanks! 😅 the struggle is real though... especially having to learn brand new shortcuts because I mindlessly use Mac shortcuts ALL THE TIME.
I gasp every time something strange happens (which is very often) 🙃
n ✨
@_elena Very appreciated. It's nice to see you don't need to already know about everything to get into linux.
Elena Rossini ⁂
@shtrom I'll experiment. I was trying to copy from a web browser some code (very long) to install an app and nothing worked... until I turned on the caps lock
Olivier Mehani
@_elena Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V should work the vast majority of the time, no? I find I only need to add Shift in terminal applications.
Elena Rossini ⁂
@oblomov it was in Terminal. Or rather: from Vivaldi (copy) to Terminal (paste).
I will try again in OpenOffice to see if I need the caps lock there too...
Oblomov
@_elena that's the first time I heard about that, honestly.
(Also, whether it's ctrl+shift or ctrl+alt or something else actually depends on the term program you're using.)
Elena Rossini ⁂
@damonism thanks! I actually installed this https://itsfoss.com/gnome-tweak-tool/ but still struggled with copy / paste... turning on caps lock solved the problem 🤷♀️
damon
@_elena I suspect it comes from a legacy of Unix being a bunch of small terminal programs with a graphical interface, and concept of a Universal clipboard, only coming much later. But what it means in practice is I have used Linux on and off for 30 years and I still have no idea how to copy from Emacs and paste into another app (see, for eg https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CopyAndPaste).
damon
@_elena Also there is an app (I think it’s gnome-tweak-tool) that, if you’re using a gnome-based desktop, will let you swap ctrl and cmd keys, so in apps that have somewhat sensible copy and paste keys, you can use cmd-c and cmd-v instead of control. This makes life much easier as a Mac user.
Elena Rossini ⁂
interesting! for context I'm in Ubuntu (the latest version) and I was trying to copy text from Vivaldi and paste it into Terminal.
I was pressing Shift + Ctrl + c and Shift + Ctrl + v
Nothing worked until I turned on caps lock 🤷♀️
Strypey
@damonism
> I still have no idea how to copy from Emacs and paste into another app
YMMV based on the specific desktop environment and apps you're using, but ...
In my experience, all cut'n'pasting in desktop GNU/Linux is
* Bash terminal: CTRL-SHIFT-C to copy and CTRL-SHIFT-V to paste
* Everything else: CTRL-c to copy, CTRL-v to paste
Can you tell me exactly which apps on which distro don't fit this pattern?
Elena Rossini ⁂
@leberschnitzel sure thing ! I just boosted your original post. I hope you get some help soon!
leberschnitzel :ha:
@_elena hey, we could maybe learn things together! I'm currently trying to get some information with this post, but since my reach is pretty low I'm not getting any help: https://existiert.ch/@leberschnitzel/113722434263778954
Maybe some of the possible replies could help you too if you boost it 👉👈
Mr. Lance E Sloan (IRL)
@_elena @derralf
It's been years since I've used a mouse. I enjoy using a trackpad. I like the convenience of not needing extra space to move the mouse.
Also, I'm a fan of keyboard shortcuts and CLI usage. One you get your shortcuts the way you like them, you'll get things done faster.
BinarySoul
@_elena I've been using Linux since the Raspberry Pi 3 was a new thing. I still consider myself a noob, but I almost always enjoy the learning process involved whenever I'm trying something new with Linux.
Elena Rossini ⁂
@strypey I need to check - someone far more advanced than me here suggested the issue could be with Vivaldi (since I was attempting to copy from there)
Strypey
@_elena
Just out of curiosity, are you on the latest LTS (24.04) or on the latest release (24.10)?
Strypey
@_elena
> I'm in Ubuntu (the latest version)
I've mostly used Ubuntu derivatives. Especially Trisquel, which I recommend to anyone whose graphics and WiFi chips can run without proprietary blobs. Also spent time on Mint and LMDE.
> I was trying to copy text from Vivaldi and paste it into Terminal. I was pressing Shift + Ctrl + c and Shift + Ctrl + v
What I would expect to work is CTRL+c in Vivaldi, and CTRL+SHIFT+V in Terminal. Caps lock should reverse everything, not fix it. Maybe a bug?
damon
@_elena Yeah, I won’t pretend to know why that works. But I do sympathize because I’m doing my own experiment with living with Linux (again), which I’m occasionally documenting here: https://damonism.net/tags/the-year-of-linux-on-the-desktop/
Elena Rossini ⁂
@damonism aw thanks for the link! Will read soon :)
Elena Rossini ⁂
@strypey the thing that blows my mind is that depending on the Linux distro you're on and/or the software you're using, the shortcuts are different 🤯
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