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   Fifi Lamoura (fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 26-Dec-2024 15:37:10 JST Fifi Lamoura

   Looks like bird flu is turning up in SF wastewater in increasing concentrations, meaning it's likely human to human transmission (if this is accurate).
   https://bsky.app/profile/falconryfinance.bsky.social/post/3le6ol2gink2h

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     Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 26-Dec-2024 15:37:09 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide

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     @fifilamoura I'd be much more interested in theories like this if we had sewage outflow monitoring of say skyscrapers or sports stadiums and especially hospitals, but we don't. We're generally monitoring mixed use sewage systems and so this could be as simple as migratory bird shit getting washed into drains or people looking at the headlines and all deciding to dump the raw milk in their fridge down the sink.

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     Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 26-Dec-2024 15:47:40 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide

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     @fifilamoura Wastewater monitoring simply isn't useful in this context because you can't separate all the potential causes of the signal and we're dealing with a pathogen which infects not just livestock, but birds, cats, dogs, rodents and a variety of other small mammals all which input into the wastewater system. There may be no cows in the area, but there are plenty of other non-human carriers that could be responsible for the spike.

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     Fifi Lamoura (fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 26-Dec-2024 15:47:41 JST Fifi Lamoura

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     @Infoseepage I'll stick with the scientists on this one.

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     Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 26-Dec-2024 15:49:35 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide

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     @fifilamoura I see that as a deficiency in these systems which could be rectified to provide better monitoring and confirmation of when a virus has in fact entered human circulation, by monitoring outflows with exclusively human sources. We also have ILI monitoring at hospitals which feeds into the genetic surveillance system, but that's only going to catch it once it has reached a point where people are being hospitalized...

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     Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 26-Dec-2024 15:54:44 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide

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     @fifilamoura ...and at this time of year, there's such a spike in ordinary flu that I'm not sure we're at 100% sampling, so the chances of it getting sequenced may go down.

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     Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 26-Dec-2024 15:56:02 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide

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     @fifilamoura It was interesting to watch during the peak of Covid when some countries like the Netherlands had set up systems where they were doing genotyping assays or full sequencing on a high percentage of all Covid cases and you could see true strain prevalence in near real time. It also showed that many waves did not totally wipe out old strains and you still had things like Delta percolating at very low levels long after the majority of cases had moved on.

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     Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide (infoseepage@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 26-Dec-2024 15:58:05 JST Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide

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     @fifilamoura It was something you could only do with a system built to hear a pin drop. Just an incredible level of sensitivity to see what was actually circulating. The systems that the US has built are far cruder. We don't even have POC H5 testing deployed nationally, so you wonder how big of a H2H signal will need to build up in a community before the systems we have really have the sensitivity to affirmatively acknowledge it.