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   Swell (swellwines@epicure.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Dec-2024 08:08:02 JST Swell

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   @Radical_EgoCom Neither ideology in its pure state is without fault, so an amalgamation of the 2 will always be the best recourse. That’s where the debate begins, but I would lean to a minimum 60/40 Socialism/Capitalism blending. The devil though is in the details.

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 21-Dec-2024 08:08:01 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     I don't agree with your logic. Both ideologies have faults. Therefore, we need to combine both ideologies? You skipped over the part where that solves anything.

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 22-Dec-2024 01:37:28 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     How did you conclude that socialism can't bring innovation?

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     Swell (swellwines@epicure.social)'s status on Sunday, 22-Dec-2024 01:37:29 JST Swell

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     @Radical_EgoCom You can’t have true innovation without capitalism. You can’t take care of the needs of the people without Socialism. Hence a merging of the ideologies is necessary. The concept is simple. The details are difficult.

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 22-Dec-2024 09:26:21 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     "The most innovative ideas are generated because people think they can make money off it,"

     Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

     "I will never agree that the majority of true innovation will occur because of the sole desire to improve the quality of life of the populace."

     And I'll never believe that true innovation can't occur based on a sole desire to improve the quality of life of the populace unless you provide evidence to prove it. 1/2

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     Swell (swellwines@epicure.social)'s status on Sunday, 22-Dec-2024 09:26:22 JST Swell

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     @Radical_EgoCom The most innovative ideas are generated because people think they can make money off it, ergo capitalism. I will never agree that the majority of true innovation will occur because of the sole desire to improve the quality of life of the populace. It’s to improve the life of the innovators.
     Even in socialist systems, there exists a hierarchy which is determined because someone deems them more important. That is essentially imbedded capitalism within the socialist ideology.

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 22-Dec-2024 09:26:41 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     Also, if the innovators want to improve their quality of life, then making innovations that improve everyone's quality of life would, in turn, improve their quality of life as well. If the innovators are truly selfish, then they'd still make innovation that improve others' lives if their lives are also improved, which it would be if work is done for the collective good of society. 2/2

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 22-Dec-2024 10:03:19 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

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     "Evidence- all new drugs to treat illness & diseases. The very thing on which we are communicating, the internet."

     Are you actually going to prove that "all new drugs" and "the internet" were created only because their creators were motivated by profit and no other motivations to help others?

     I also already explained that even selfish people would still be motivated to make innovations that benefit all of society since they, being a part of society, would also benefit as well.

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     Swell (swellwines@epicure.social)'s status on Sunday, 22-Dec-2024 10:03:20 JST Swell

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     @Radical_EgoCom Evidence- all new drugs to treat illness & diseases. The very thing on which we are communicating, the internet. The list is endless.
     Look as I stated initially, I agree that there should be strong social protections to cover the health & wellbeing of the populace, but to argue that innovation which will benefit everyone will occur simply from the altruism of the innovator is simply naive. There must be a melding of ideologies.