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   Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Friday, 20-Dec-2024 09:51:55 JST Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)
   Atatürk was born 1881 and finished his formal education around 1900, though I guess he never stopped educating himself. It is said that he was an avid reader.
   
   He founded the Turkish Republic in 1921 and immediately enacted sex equality; he was already deeply convinced by then that women should be equal under the law and in all aspects of life.
   
   I wonder which feminists in particular he read. Who convinced him to become so adamant about this?
   
   I also wonder if The Second Sex is going to mention him or Turkey. I've just finished Volume 1, Part 2, Chapter 4. Part 2 is about women's rights throughout all history, and chapter 5 is the last, so it should now talk about recent developments I guess. (The book was published 1949.)
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     EmmaFaber (emmafaber@spinster.xyz)'s status on Friday, 20-Dec-2024 20:55:22 JST EmmaFaber

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     @taylan ?
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     Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Friday, 20-Dec-2024 20:55:22 JST Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)

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     @EmmaFaber That's probably a fake quote to be honest.
     
     He was a strategic mastermind. He wouldn't have criticised Islam so openly and crudely, because it would have drawn the ire of the uneducated masses. He needed everyone's support to unite the nation, and the nation was not exactly made up of enlightened individuals.
     
     His actions were clearly anti-Islamic, but he paid Islam some lip service if I'm not mistaken, just so as not to upset the masses.
     
     I can imagine that the quote is how he really felt about it though. There seem to be debates and disputes about its origin:
     
     https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/38007/did-ataturk-say-that-islam-is-an-absurd-theology-and-a-rotting-corpse-which-p
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     EmmaFaber (emmafaber@spinster.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 21-Dec-2024 08:34:15 JST EmmaFaber

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     @taylan i don't mind if its a fake quote cos it probably what he thought even if he didn't actually say it?
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     LostInCalifornia (lostincalifornia@spinster.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 21-Dec-2024 08:51:53 JST LostInCalifornia

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     @taylan I don't think he read feminists. I think he was a man who understood that there is a problem with being "modern" if women were subjugated by 14th century law.

     IOW, he wanted a western standard of living. He didn't use western methods to get there.

     Maybe I'm cynical, but the colonial world received a major shakeup post WWI, and all of the colonial powers took it in different ways.

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