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   John Francis (johnefrancis@cosocial.ca)'s status on Friday, 20-Dec-2024 03:04:22 JST John Francis

   • Evan Prodromou

   @evan I've developed a fairly pessimistic view of 1945-2024 based on how awful that period has been for most people on the planet. 1970-2024 has had a real narrowing of the minority that benefit from this system. Full of violent economic colonialism.

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     John Francis (johnefrancis@cosocial.ca)'s status on Friday, 20-Dec-2024 05:00:18 JST John Francis

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @mensrea @evan what's the yardstick for "social progress"? Very good economic progress for most people in the US, Canada, western Europe, Japan, Aus etc. 1945-1970. Elsewhere? Not so much.

     Mostly flat economic progress in the western lib democracies since 1970...growth all went to the already wealthy and most people have the same real incomes as in the 70s, and worsening govt services.

     Other yardsticks?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Friday, 20-Dec-2024 05:00:18 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • cuan_knaggs

     @johnefrancis @mensrea the recognition that human rights are universal? Decolonization? Ending legal apartheid around the world?

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     cuan_knaggs (mensrea@freeradical.zone)'s status on Friday, 20-Dec-2024 05:00:19 JST cuan_knaggs

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @johnefrancis @evan I would very cautiously suggest that there has been more social progress post ww2.

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     John Francis (johnefrancis@cosocial.ca)'s status on Friday, 20-Dec-2024 05:13:36 JST John Francis

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan @mensrea are these aspirations really implemented though? As much as they are, those are the pieces to retain and improve on..

     Is there less colonization under neoliberalism than imperialism? I have a hard time seeing the difference between those pictures. The techniques of colonization are somewhat different from imperialism, but the objectives and outcomes are similar. One difference is that the neoliberal regime is more consolidated vs. the handful of imperial powers.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Friday, 20-Dec-2024 06:01:43 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • cuan_knaggs

     @mensrea @johnefrancis I think there was widespread acceptance that different people deserved different rights based on race, religion, gender, sexual preference and trans status and that it was the preferred and natural course. I think making those ideas shameful is a step forward.

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     cuan_knaggs (mensrea@freeradical.zone)'s status on Friday, 20-Dec-2024 06:01:44 JST cuan_knaggs

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan @johnefrancis well, the start of those things. the efforts, as we know, have been imperfect. but largely better than before '45