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   Pauline von Hellermann (pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green)'s status on Saturday, 14-Dec-2024 19:00:17 JST Pauline von Hellermann

   Ah! The poll has ended! I can report that only 11% of participants (1403 in total) still believe in #capitalism. Which perhaps does say something about the current mood here on Mastodon. And perhaps, who knows, gives us some courage to have more open discussions that we really do need alternatives and should talk about them, whether eco-socialism, eco-communism, or something else in entirely.

   For now, some brief reflections on poll itself and responses. 1/n
   https://mastodon.green/@pvonhellermannn/113610652987592955

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     Pauline von Hellermann (pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green)'s status on Saturday, 14-Dec-2024 19:00:15 JST Pauline von Hellermann

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     #capitalism 6/n

     And yes. One alternative is communism. Which i would love to revisit personally. The soviet 1930s version failed - it doesn’t mean that a new 2030s version will! (I loved the passage in Ministry for the Future on this).

     But also, there are so many other possibilities. We have had 100,000 years of humans with all sorts of ways of sorting out livelihoods in groups- and we can find new ones! 😊

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     Pauline von Hellermann (pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green)'s status on Saturday, 14-Dec-2024 19:00:17 JST Pauline von Hellermann

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     #capitalism 5/n

     4. Lastly, people objecting to the “still”, as they never believed in it. Good point. I guess i meant it more collectively, whether as a society believe in it, and in that sense the “still” made sense for me. But also didn’t think it through too much.

     Anyway, thank you all for participating, and for all your comments!

     I now declare that this poll gives us a clear mandate: 89% of us do not believe in capitalism any more, if we ever did. Time to talk about alternatives!

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     Pauline von Hellermann (pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green)'s status on Saturday, 14-Dec-2024 19:00:18 JST Pauline von Hellermann

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     #capitalism 4/n

     3. People who believe in regulated capitalism, as in Scandinavia.
     Yes, of course, that is nice. I used to believe in this too, I guess. But now, in 2024? When “regulated capitalism”, if it ever existed, is dismantled everywhere? Where we have the most rampant kind - because that’s what it is - eating and destroying everything and everyone? I do like Nancy Fraser’s #CannibalCapitalism.

     Was slightly surprised that people still cling onto idea that regulation is possible.

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     Pauline von Hellermann (pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green)'s status on Saturday, 14-Dec-2024 19:00:19 JST Pauline von Hellermann

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     #capitalism 3/n it did not occur to me to question its existence. Or to be even more honest, i quite liked the blurring. As one of you pointed out, it’s like wherher you still believe in Father Christmas 😊

     2. People telling me that communism failed. Thank you - i appreciated this. I mean, like everyone else I went to sxhool and university and read newspapers where we are all bombarded by this message, day and night. It’s in our blood, our DNA, in our whole system. But good to be told again!

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     Pauline von Hellermann (pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green)'s status on Saturday, 14-Dec-2024 19:00:20 JST Pauline von Hellermann

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     #capitalism 2/n

     The poll was not serious! I mean, i meant the question, but not serious, methodologically, as a poll. No poll on here ever is. In that spirit, I thought it would be funny to do a just “yes” and “no” poll. (And i liked how it cuts out all the crap).

     Anyway, overall there were 4 types of responses:

     1. People pointing out sloppy blurring btw ‘believing in its existence’and ‘believing in it as good system that works for us’. Noted, phrasing was sloppy. To be honest,

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     Nicole Parsons (npars01@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 14-Dec-2024 19:03:25 JST Nicole Parsons

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     @pvonhellermannn

     "Ministry for the Future", Kim Stanley Robinson

     "Easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism: the old saying had grown teeth & was taking on a literal, vicious accuracy"

     Big Oil decided to buy elections; it's a failure of imagination

     Climate crises happen so often, folks treat it like mass shootings, "mourned by all, deplored by all, & then immediately forgotten or superseded by the next one, until they came in a daily drumbeat & became the new normal"

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     Androgenes 🏴‍☠️🫂🔞 (black_flag@syzito.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 14-Dec-2024 19:20:40 JST Androgenes 🏴‍☠️🫂🔞

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     @pvonhellermannn "Forced communism" failed. But like David Graeber pointed out in his books, informal, day to day, communism is pretty much normal. No society functions without good will and cooperation.