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@sathariel @lilli well the Buddhist and Jainist hells deemphasize hell as being a product of Gods justice but also Gods love so lets just say my take is a Hindu take. That there are numerous hell realms, places of suffering as real as this world were in now (in contrast with the idea that hell is like, a product of an evil persons mind existing in a void, or a product of merely being distant from God) of varying severity where you burn off bad karmas accumulated in past live(s) as a necessary step allowing you to be reborn into a more favorable life in an earth realm/ and eventually moksha. I also believe in very specific hells/punishments for specific sins/cases.
some Hindu philosophers believe that some souls are sentenced to dwell in hell forever or dwell in samsara forever, I do NOT believe that.
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@k @sathariel @lilli ive never read Dante's Inferno
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@georgia @sathariel @lilli This is pretty similar to Dante's Purgatory.
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@k @lilli @sathariel when I say I believe hells are uniquely catered to specific sins besides just being places of suffering that means that for some people hell could very well be just being stuck inside their own twisted mind. as long as suffering is relatively intense and unavoidable, its a hell. I don't believe in hells with minimal suffering or where its hard to suffer- they would be incredibly hard to get out of which doesnt match with Gods incredible mercy.
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@georgia @sathariel @lilli Read the whole Comedy if you do. The Inferno is the juicy part but it's important to understand the entire hierarchy.
Guenon saw the Comedy as part of the same tradition as the Vedas. I don't agree with him because the Divine Mountain pattern doesn't seem to exist outside Jewish/Christian mysticism but I understand why he does. For Dante, everyone is exactly where they intended to be in a way reminiscent of karma.
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@georgia @sathariel @lilli The specifics aren't going to be identical ofc.
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@lilli @sathariel @k hell in dharmic religions is also generally located beneath the Earth, but I dont believe "underworld" is literal just like we can't see the ocean of milk in the vedic sense. in the particular cosmologies of dharmic religions there are various numberings of hell realms (in Hinduism usually 28) but I don't buy that humans know Gods systemizations of heavens and hells, I think theyre countless.
youd like the story of Ajamila. hes a sinful brahmin, who upon his death is pursued by the agents of Yama the God of death who rules over the underworld. They aim to drag his soul to hell. As he is dying Ajamila calls out the name of his son Narayana, which is also a name/lying on a snake in the ocean form of the Supreme God Vishnu. Upon hearing the name of their Lord, the servants of Vishnu protect Ajamila, and say that because he called upon the name of the Lord, even though he wasn't referring to God but to his son, Ajamilas sins are wiped clean. Ajamila sees this dialogue between the two and repents and by this achieves liberation.
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@georgia @sathariel @k a dharmic view of hell rly sounds like origen/purgatorial universalism but considerably elaborated due to not being a fringe condemned heresy
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