notsoloud
@j12i
Good question. I'm not sure I do. But I think it helps to acknowledge that we're descended from a long line of expansionists that rolled over whatever was there beforehand. There are powerful tendencies left in us by our history and they will not be easy to redirect.
I like the way you reframe the problem to "favourite bar" rather than "competing kingdoms" which is one way to trigger a different pattern of reactions.
@clarity
clarity flowers
@notsoloud @j12i Have you read The Dawn of Everything?
clarity flowers
@notsoloud Well. Pretty evidently, infinite expansion isn't some fundamental part of the human condition or an evolved trait (not sure if you were claiming this), but is instead a property which some cultures value and some do not. And while empires and expansion did happen long before, the invention of christianity and the proselytization thereof marks a significant development in how culture propagates itself. Appealing to essential nature is a cop-out, and entirely unhelpful.
@j12i
notsoloud
clarity flowers
@notsoloud that's the interesting question! Maybe there's a sort of ideological poison pill, or vaccination. Or maybe there's a way of organizing people (and a military) at scale that doesn't require a state to function. Or maybe we learn to live in a way that is invisible to the machine. Or maybe there's a way synthesize the heart of expansionism into a new ideology that encloses and neuters it (just like it always does with its own critiques). Or maybe this: https://xoxo.zone/@clarity/111689125284890848 @j12i
notsoloud
@clarity
I guess the main issue is how the cultures that don't value expansion defend themselves against those that do. How do you fight that without becoming the enemy?
@j12i
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