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   Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 13:09:25 JST Hrefna (DHC)

   I promise, you do not need to explain to me how something _can_ be done in ActivityPub. I am aware that things _can_ be done.

   The problem I am highlighting is virtually never "I can't see a _way to do this in ActivityPub_."

   It is almost always a question of standards and interoperability and what would be required to get to that point.

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     Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 13:20:30 JST Hrefna (DHC)

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     One of the core, key, challenges I've talked about in ActivityPub and that I come back to repeatedly is the lack of out-of-the-box interop, ways to demonstrate interop, or ways to prove compliance.

     It's easy to say "oh this is a solved problem in MFTS (my favorite toy server)." It's easy to come up with _ways_ to solve it.

     That's pretty much never my point.

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     Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 13:27:03 JST Hrefna (DHC)

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     • Cyborus

     @Cyborus Basically yes. Also that we can't demonstrate compliance with any solution because the problem is often underspecified, but yes.

     Or, if you prefer:

     It's not that the problem can't be solved in theory, it is that it practice it requires a lot more than simply demonstrating one way to do it in theory, or in an environment that is not applicable to 90+% of deployed installations.

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     Cyborus (cyborus@social.cartoon-aa.xyz)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 13:27:12 JST Cyborus

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     @hrefna@hachyderm.io if I understand correctly, it's not that there aren't solutions, it's that there isn't a solution? The core fundamentals should have a single correct defined way to do them?
     
     apologies if I've misunderstood

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     Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 13:33:27 JST Hrefna (DHC)

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     • Cyborus

     @Cyborus Ultimately what this comes down to is looking at the problem in a different _frame_.

     For example, in discussing server migrations: The question is not "can I make it so that two servers that both have 12 deployments each and cannot talk to anyone else can be easily migrated between."

     But rather: what would it take so that the average deployment—and the median fediverse user/instance—can easily migrate?

     This also allows us to compare affordances with, say, BlueSky.

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     Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 01:13:18 JST Hrefna (DHC)

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     • YurkshireLad

     @YurkshireLad in the parentheses.

     My Favorite Toy Server, a reference to MFTL (my favorite toy language): http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/MFTL.html

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     YurkshireLad (yurkshirelad@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Nov-2024 01:13:19 JST YurkshireLad

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     @hrefna What is MFTS?