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   Abolisyonista (abolisyonista@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 12:42:23 JST Abolisyonista

   I'm concerned about this meme about climate Stalin, a hypothetical strongman who can leverage carceral power against those who are destroying the world. What benefit does this carceral ecology bring us? Abolitionists must increasingly forward abolition ecology, but the contours of what that could mean have yet to be mapped.

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     Abolisyonista (abolisyonista@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 15:26:30 JST Abolisyonista

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     Climate Stalin, I think, begins from a messianic belief that a messiah could wield incredible “righteous” violence against those who destroy the world. Whither class and climate struggle when one can hope for the rise of Climate Stalin?

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     ch0ccyra1n :she_her::neocat_floof_cute: (ch0ccyra1n@emeraldsocial.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 16:18:21 JST ch0ccyra1n :she_her::neocat_floof_cute:

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     @abolisyonista one of the most bizzare content warnings I've read. I love it!

     Anyways, yeah this certainly is worth thinking more about. My perspective is that the most ecologically sound approach would be to let more and more greenery grow wild. I'm partly inspired by many of the gardens in my city, which tend to be very wild and are composed of local wildflowers and wild grass. They're the core of my vision for anarchist ecology: total freedom for the plants to grow as they please as long as it's not harming other plants.

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     Abolisyonista (abolisyonista@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 16:18:21 JST Abolisyonista

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     • ch0ccyra1n :she_her::neocat_floof_cute:

     @ch0ccyra1n I would agree with you yeah, but I think you missed the point of like the problem with Climate Stalin. Climate Stalin is a hypothetical messianic figure that would lead the proletariat out of climate crisis and institute a reign of terror over Shell, BP, Trump, whomever.

     What I'm more concerned about is the carceral and authoritarian implications about such messianism, as in its desire to deploy spectacular violence against the people destroying the world, and then think about the contours of an abolitionist ecology. How do we salvage the climate and our species without resorting to police, prisons, executions, etc.? Especially within the context that this kind of carcerality has never been used to liberate?

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     Abolisyonista (abolisyonista@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 22:41:30 JST Abolisyonista

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     If Climate Stalin exists, it would become necessary to abolish her.