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UK being so retarded and killing off their agriculture would be funny if it didnt harm so many farmers
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@meso
As if they didn't have enough with getting bullied by the private sector.
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@adachi @sally are trains and water privatized in the uk lol?
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@sally @meso
Unless you want the country to undergo a full transformation to socialism, I think things like car companies generally should go private. I wouldn't re-privatize trains or water though.
Unions can only go so far, and ideally every company would become a workers co-operative, with an in house elected executive branch (sort of like how the military practically elects its own upper ranks). Ideally the country would transition to a form of market socialism.
That said, we're so far away from that we'll soon probably become an oligarchy and feudal society, whilst nigel farage whips the peasants tolling the fields.
What I suggest though is a sort of new deal as I said, you can read up on the Japanese and German economic miracles. Basically, we should rejoin with the EU and try to get a good trade deal with the US, then use tax money to pump into generally industry for export, as well as infrastructure (Railways, town rebuilding projects, tearing down old houses, etc) meaning we could still have our capitalism and eat it. To do so would require an actual populist leader though, and not a centrist blairite stooge like starmer.
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@meso
Going back and forth between public and private ownership doesn't solve the problem, I'd try letting workers handle work, give them unions and let them be.
That being said I see nationalizing farms and crops extremely unlikely in the foreseeable future unless John Deere & co gets either legally raped for DRMing farming and gets told to do things like five decades ago (stuff just works) or goes bankrupt because every country does their own farming equipment because they don't like the fact a US company could starve them to death pressing a button.
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@sally @meso
UK needs an FDR style 'new deal'... Nationalize lots of industry and pump money to make cars and electronics, then make it private again in 20 years time, kinda like Japan did too.
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@adachi @sally Adachi has two sides, joking about child rape and having the most grounded and comprehensive takes
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@meso @sally
i warned you about the free market bro, I WARNED YOU
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@adachi @sally is that the problem dawg
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@adachi @sally the sewer system not WATER COMPANIES DUMPING SEWAGE INTO RIVERS
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@meso @sally
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@adachi @sally EXactly
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@meso @sally
I don't understand what you're saying. No, it's not doing it by itself, the companies are choosing to do this instead of dealing with it properly.
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@adachi @sally @meso
Heavily regulated industries are not free markets IMHO
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