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   NO NAME (jeff@soapbox.hackdefendr.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 05:49:43 JST NO NAME

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   • Eugen Rochko
   • clarissa
   • david celis

   @davidcelis

   Well let's ask him directly.

   Yo! @Gargron - care to disclose your base salary from Mastodon GmbH? Or maybe just confirm that it all depends on level of donations.

   @left_adjoint

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     david celis (davidcelis@xoxo.zone)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 05:49:44 JST david celis

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     @jeff that doesn’t negate what i’m saying though? the non-profit pays its employees. it’s an entity that holds money for that purpose. there are definitely unpaid contributors as with any large open source project, but you can’t say it’s built by a handful of unpaid volunteers, because it isn’t

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     NO NAME (jeff@soapbox.hackdefendr.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 05:49:55 JST NO NAME

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     • clarissa
     • david celis

     @davidcelis

     Yep, that's what I'm saying. It's a non-profit, and non-profits are funded by donations and possibly government grants. Non profits still hire people to do regular jobs, no different than a profitable company.

     @left_adjoint

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     david celis (davidcelis@xoxo.zone)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 05:49:56 JST david celis

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     @jeff my bad, you’re right that it’s a trademark ownership; but what do you mean it doesn’t fund the project or pay its developers? i’ve seen job listings for Mastodon gGmbH with salaries. you’re saying that money comes directly from crowd-funding and not from the non-profit?

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     NO NAME (jeff@soapbox.hackdefendr.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 05:49:59 JST NO NAME

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     • clarissa
     • david celis

     @davidcelis

     Uh. Nope. No single entity owns Mastodon. Mastodon GmbH holds the name trademark only. It doesn't fund the project nor pay the handful of active developers. Eugen Rochko created Mastodon in 2016. Development is crowd-funded, with no support for advertisements or monetized features.

     @left_adjoint

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     david celis (davidcelis@xoxo.zone)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 05:50:00 JST david celis

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     • clarissa

     @jeff @left_adjoint Mastodon isn’t built only by a handful of unpaid volunteers; it’s owned and operated by Mastodon gGmbH, and it has salaried employees working on the software full time

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     NO NAME (jeff@soapbox.hackdefendr.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 05:50:05 JST NO NAME

     • clarissa

     @left_adjoint

     OK I will play devil's advocate for a sec.

     Mastodon doesn't have a large development base, only a handful of unpaid volunteers. Release cycles that also contain features requested by the community are incredibly slow and ultimately get selected by one person.

     Only speaking about Bluesky because it isn't owned by one single billionaire, and is run by committees built from decent sized investors. Because of said investors there is a larger development base which leads to quicker release cycles that produce features requested by the community.

     Speaking as someone who runs a single user instance on Mastodon and another on Bluesky. The latter is hella cheaper to operate because it requires less resources per user.

     Mastodon is kinda clique based and requires you follow accounts or hashtags to make it work. Not a bad design, just slow to show results.