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   Tiago Peixoto (tiago@social.skewed.de)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 05:09:05 JST Tiago Peixoto

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   • Ulrike Hahn

   @UlrikeHahn @vbuendiar @ide You insist on misunderstanding my argument.

   Primarily, I'm saying that in the ABSENCE of evidence that supports a constraint on someone's freedom of action, that constraint is not justified.

   The burden of proof lies on who wants to impose control.

   This argument is mainly moral: power needs to be justified.

   Additionally, the proposition that quotes cause harm needs evidence because it's fundamentally an empirical claim. No one explains *why* that should be true, they only claim that it is so. The absence of evidence for an empirical claim means it's not a valid claim. The burden lies on providing evidence for it, not against it. No one has to prove that unicorns don't exist.

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     Tiago Peixoto (tiago@social.skewed.de)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 05:34:18 JST Tiago Peixoto

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     • Ulrike Hahn
     • Frederik Elwert

     @felwert @UlrikeHahn @vbuendiar @ide This is such an intellectually dishonest argument. Displaying an inline link is not only natural but is also expected behavior, since every single microblogging platform *except* mastodon supports it. They went out of the way to not implement it.

     The fact that the quotes are in the roadmad for years essentially proves my point that they don't have any goood evidence against them (yet, somehow, someone will always jump in the defense of the lack of quotes when you point out it's a bad idea). But it's not a strawman in any way, it's a such a clear deficiency that even the authors of the platform admit it!

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     Frederik Elwert (felwert@fedihum.org)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 05:34:20 JST Frederik Elwert

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     • Ulrike Hahn

     @tiago First, they have long revised their strict view on quote posts, they just didn't get around implementing it yet, so you're fighting a straw man. And second, it's really a weird view that not implementing a feature is limiting anyone's freedom. They also didn't implement a button that sprinkles unicorns across my screen, and I don't complain that's limiting my freedom to have an abundance of unicorns. (I have a feeling you won't like the analogy either.)

     @UlrikeHahn @vbuendiar @ide

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     Tiago Peixoto (tiago@social.skewed.de)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 05:35:39 JST Tiago Peixoto

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     • Ulrike Hahn
     • Frederik Elwert
     • Till Grallert

     @tillgrallert @felwert @UlrikeHahn @vbuendiar @ide Yes, but the quotes don't display correctly for the vast majority of users.

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     Till Grallert (tillgrallert@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 05:35:41 JST Till Grallert

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     • Ulrike Hahn
     • Frederik Elwert

     @felwert @tiago @UlrikeHahn @vbuendiar @ide oh and btw plenty of clients have implemented some form of quote toots

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     Till Grallert (tillgrallert@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 05:35:42 JST Till Grallert

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     • Ulrike Hahn
     • Frederik Elwert

     @felwert @tiago @UlrikeHahn @vbuendiar @ide not having this fantastic unicorn-button suddenly feels as if I am unduly constrained in my freedom of expression. Let’s fight for the unicorns!

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     Tiago Peixoto (tiago@social.skewed.de)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 05:49:16 JST Tiago Peixoto

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     • Ulrike Hahn
     • Frederik Elwert

     @felwert @UlrikeHahn @vbuendiar @ide

     I really don't believe you are being honest when you compare quotes with unicorn buttons. Sorry for the precision, but you know I'm right.

     Quotes are essentially inline previews of other posts.

     There are additional functionalities, like being notified, but they are not essential.

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     Frederik Elwert (felwert@fedihum.org)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 05:49:18 JST Frederik Elwert

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     • Ulrike Hahn

     @tiago You don't do less than "intellectually dishonest", do you? Big gun for a simple disagreement. And there's much more to quote posts than rendering an inline link preview. @UlrikeHahn @vbuendiar @ide