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   feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 04:02:15 JST feld

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   • Ignas Kiela
   • Hyolobrika
   @Hyolobrika @toast @ignaloidas decentralized DNS still needs a financial model or the entire scheme falls apart. You can't let people own domains in perpetuity and you can't allow them to squat on all the good names for free. Without a market it just won't work.
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 04:02:16 JST Hyolobrika

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     • Ignas Kiela
     @ignaloidas @toast How easy would it be to get everyone on board with this new system if it didn't have the additional benefits of GNS that you refer to ITT?
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 04:02:16 JST Hyolobrika

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     • Ignas Kiela
     • Hyolobrika
     @ignaloidas @toast Also, how secure would this decentralised DNS be?
     Why hasn't it been done already?
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     Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 04:02:18 JST Ignas Kiela

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     • Hyolobrika

     @Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net @toast@donotsta.re not any more hackily at all, every zone can be treated as a root zone in DNS as well
     
     It shouldn't be too difficult to replace the traditional DNS root servers managed by ICANN to something different, and you'd get exactly what you do with GNS

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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 04:02:19 JST Hyolobrika

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     • Ignas Kiela
     @ignaloidas @toast I know. But users can add anything they want to their portion of the namespace, which is not a second-class citizen but a root zone in it's own right (master zone).
     Then again, that's probably possible with DNS as well, but (I imagine) more hackily.
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 04:02:21 JST Hyolobrika

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     • Ignas Kiela
     @ignaloidas @toast it doesn't have the feudal style social hierarchy of ICANN
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     Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 04:02:21 JST Ignas Kiela

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     • Hyolobrika

     @Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net @toast@donotsta.re it does
     
     I can make a namespace, say it's canonical, and give out portions of said namespace for money.
     
     It does literally nothing on the organizational front, the data is laid out in quite literally the same way as DNS, it's just that for retrieving and managing that data you don't need to rely on central servers. You still need a root for GNS, some canonical namespace.

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     Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 04:02:23 JST Ignas Kiela

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     • Hyolobrika

     @Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net @toast@donotsta.re It's still a hierarchy of data. It's just that when you want to get some data, you don't go through a hierarchy of data providers.

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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 04:02:24 JST Hyolobrika

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     • Ignas Kiela
     @ignaloidas @toast I love the concept of GNS. It has the right technopolitical architecture (web-of-trust rather than hierarchy).
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     Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 04:02:26 JST Ignas Kiela

     @toast@donotsta.re I wonder if GNS (the gnu thing) could be a decent way to transition and maybe solve some of the technical issues
     
     I mean, right now not, but maybe if ICANN takes it on, a gradual transition onto GNS could viably happen (even if keeping the structural problems of the current domain name system)