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    tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 22:22:12 JST tyil tyil
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    • Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)
    • ⚡🔌ℂlaire 𝔻anielle ℂassidy☀️

    @taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org @LaserMistress@mstdn.social I actually think Claire's post is, ironically, based in regular racism (against non white people) and sexism (against women).I think there is only "regular" racism and sexism. I don't care who you're being racist or sexist against, or what you are yourself. Racism is racism, regardless of who propagates it and whom the target is. Same goes for sexism.

    In conversation Monday, 11-Nov-2024 22:22:12 JST from fedi.tyil.nl permalink
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      Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 22:22:13 JST Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)
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      @tyil @LaserMistress

      You probably say this is sexist and racist in the sense that it's "racist against white people" and "sexist against men," right?

      I actually think Claire's post is, ironically, based in regular racism (against non white people) and sexism (against women).

      Why? Let me explain:

      1. The noble savage trope:

      The poor innocent oppressed non-white people are elevated to the status of angels and saints, rather than being recognised simply as humans, with similar flaws to all other humans.

      Notice that OP is white as snow. A white woman performatively shitting on "white women" and thus implicitly mystifying the non-white as inherently more wise, moral, and so on.

      Anyone with a basic understanding of world history would know that no ethnic group is devoid of bigotry, warmongering hateful sentiments, and so on. (Which doesn't justify white people colonizing and oppressing them, obviously.)

      2. Hatred of "white women" is just basic misogyny:

      Especially when it comes from someone who mystifies non-white people as explained above, this vilification of white women is likely to be based on a subconscious view of white women as "default" women, as opposed to "special" women (of color, queer, trans, and so on).

      So, the hatred against "white women" boils down to seeing women as undeserving of empathy by default, despite having suffered gruesome sexism throughout history.

      They are only deserving of empathy if they are part of some other oppressed minority. Woman is bad by default (when white), and only deserves respect if she can prove to be a victim of something other than "just" misogyny.

      Catharine MacKinnon wrote something about this a long time ago:

      https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/7152/06_4YaleJL_Feminism13_1991_1992_.pdf

      Relevant part starts at around page 18. The most sarcastic bit attached, to give a taste, but it's worth reading more of it.
      In conversation Monday, 11-Nov-2024 22:22:13 JST permalink

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      tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 22:22:15 JST tyil tyil
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      • ⚡🔌ℂlaire 𝔻anielle ℂassidy☀️

      @LaserMistress@mstdn.social All this time I was told we need less sexism and racism, but it turns out the real solution is to have more you say?

      In conversation Monday, 11-Nov-2024 22:22:15 JST permalink
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      ⚡🔌ℂlaire 𝔻anielle ℂassidy☀️ (lasermistress@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 22:22:16 JST ⚡🔌ℂlaire 𝔻anielle ℂassidy☀️ ⚡🔌ℂlaire 𝔻anielle ℂassidy☀️

      If you are hearing the message to build and foster community right now, and you feel a bit lost, may I suggest centering women and queer folk?

      This is not a monolith (women, particularly white, are often awful), and zero bioessentialism here.

      But women and queer folk are deeply socialized to keep social fabric together. We have lifetimes of experience, skill. We've held community, nations, the whole of humanity together for ages.

      Just..pay the fuck attention. Learn. Be amazed. Help. For once.

      In conversation Monday, 11-Nov-2024 22:22:16 JST permalink

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