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   Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 02:51:44 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

   #GoodNews from the EU: "The quarterly figures showed considerable progress in the clean energy transition with 52% of Q2 2024 electricity production generated by renewables, with fossil generation falling significantly to 24% (relative to 46% and 30% respectively in Q2 2023). Solar and wind registered a 14% rise in generation in Q2 2024 (+18 TWh)." ... 1/2

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 02:53:06 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     ... "Onshore wind generation rose by 6% (+5 TWh) while offshore wind generation surged by 37% (+4 TWh). Solar generation rose by 20% (+14 TWh) and hydropower improved its output by 21% (+18 TWh)." Source: https://energy.ec.europa.eu/data-and-analysis/market-analysis_en

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 03:11:44 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     IMHO the most interesting graphs from the Q2/24 electricity report: Wind and solar combine neatly to deliver a steady flow of electricity (page 4). And renewables have overtaken nuclear and continue to grow (page 33). https://energy.ec.europa.eu/document/download/aa90cc27-dcd9-4831-90df-3b7164631326_en?filename=New%20Quarterly%20Report%20on%20European%20Electricity%20markets%20Q2%202024_final.pdf 3/3

     alcinnz repeated this.
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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 03:16:54 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     Why did I do all of this work today to post data on energy generation and consumption in the EU? Because it matters, IMHO. The media with its clickbait obsession could give you a very wrong impression about the energy market. We are progressing towards more renewables and continuously reducing our dependency on fossil fuels. Electricity generation with coal, lignite, gas, and oil generation falling
     by 7 TWh (-26%), 5 TWh (-13%), 19 TWh (-24%), and 0.3 TWh (-10%) is A Good Thing! 4/4

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 03:30:35 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     The other threads:

     https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/113459035650236655 on Gas imports from Russia by Belgium

     https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/113454407710032934 more generally on gas imports to Europe

     https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/113443665475537288 Thread in German on reduction of Russian gas import to Germany.

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 04:45:20 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     • gunstick

     @gunstick Yep. The steady growth of negative hourly wholesale prices should be worrying. To the owners/operators of nuclear and fossil fuel based plants. For consumers it's actually quite a good thing. Free charging of your EV sounds cool? ;) (page 17 of https://energy.ec.europa.eu/document/download/aa90cc27-dcd9-4831-90df-3b7164631326_en?filename=New%20Quarterly%20Report%20on%20European%20Electricity%20markets%20Q2%202024_final.pdf )

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     gunstick (gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.lu)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 04:45:21 JST gunstick

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     @jwildeboer it's almost as if there is a continous flow of incoming free energy. Who would have thought. That little fusion reactor in the sky...

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 06:30:06 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     @dl2jml Zahlen zu Wasserkraft gibt es z.B. bei Eurostat und der IHA (International Hydropower Association). Von Letzterem kommt diese Grafik, zu finden unter https://www.hydropower.org/region-profiles/europe

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     Jerome (dl2jml@mastodon.radio)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 06:30:08 JST Jerome

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     @jwildeboer Sei mir nicht böse, aber es ist sehr viel, dass dieses Graphik nicht wiedergibt (z.B woher das ganze Hydro kommt, wenn Europa keine neue Flüsse hat... 😇 ). Deshalb sind die Kritiken berechtigt und Teil der Diskussion.

     Einst bin ich aber bereit zu erkennen (doch! 😀): dieses Graphik hier zeigt eindeutig, dass Europa jetzt weniger Strom aus fossile Quellen erzeugt. Und das ist das Einzige, dass wirklicht zählt. Egal, ob es eingespart oder solar erzeugt wird.

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 06:56:28 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     @dl2jml Your first criticism was that my posted graph doesn't give much details on hydropower. So I gave more. Hydropower is BTW quite old, the installed capacity hasn't changed that dramatically over the years, so no new rivers needed. Exsting plants have been updated to better and more efficient turbines.

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     Jerome (dl2jml@mastodon.radio)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 06:56:29 JST Jerome

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     @jwildeboer Interessant. Aber zeigt, dass Europa um die 666 TWh/Jahr mit Hydro produziert, so 166 pro Quartal. Die andere Graphik aber zeigt, dass Europa 18 TWh mehr im 2. Quartal 2024 erzeugt hat, also 10%.
     Hat es aber im Frühling 2024 stärker geregnet als sonst? Ja: https://climate.copernicus.eu/precipitation-relative-humidity-and-soil-moisture-may-2024

     Der Teufel versteckt sich bekannter weise in die Details... Mehr Regen - mehr Hydro - weniger Gas...

     Nochmals: ich glaube schon, dass die EU Vorschritte macht. Dies ist nicht die Frage.

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 07:03:33 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     @dl2jml Far more numbers on hydropower capacity in Europe (well, actually renewables all over the world) in the 2024 report by IRENA. https://www.irena.org/Publications/2024/Mar/Renewable-capacity-statistics-2024

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     Jerome (dl2jml@mastodon.radio)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 07:03:34 JST Jerome

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     @jwildeboer It was not a criticism, just a remark. And I thanked you for the graphic about hydropower.
     And yes: Europe has made progresses in hydropower and also uses it as storage which is a necessity the more energy is produced via solar and wind.

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 07:30:17 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     @icanbob Sure is. One good indicator is the rather chaotic negative electricity price hours that are the result of renewables flooding the grid and "classic" fossile fuel plants needing too long to shut down. See https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/113460370133313786

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     Icanbob (icanbob@techhub.social)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 07:30:18 JST Icanbob

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     @jwildeboer We have to treat these stories with caution. Aggregate renewable electrical generation stats by themselves are problematic. The relative timing of electron supply and electron load is much more important.

     https://energyasicit.ca/WindModel/

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 08:58:30 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     • Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

     @TimWardCam I a sure the invisible hand of the market will come up with a solution ;) @gunstick

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     Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE (timwardcam@c.im)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 08:58:31 JST Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

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     @jwildeboer @gunstick There is one worry about negative electricity prices on sunny days, though - the export rate that some suppliers pay for domestically generated solar energy might become unsustainable.

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 19:45:41 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     @TimWardCam Optimists view: So for more than half of the year the problem is solved, let's work on the remaining cold months ;) @Flo_Rian @gunstick

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     Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE (timwardcam@c.im)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 19:45:42 JST Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

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     • Flo

     @Flo_Rian @jwildeboer @gunstick I've already got a battery that time-shifts from day to night. I don't see one on offer (at any price!) for domestic installations that time-shifts from summer to winter.

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     Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE (timwardcam@c.im)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 19:45:43 JST Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

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     @jwildeboer @gunstick Yes. The export price will come down and people will stop buying solar panels.

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     Flo (flo_rian@norden.social)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 19:45:43 JST Flo

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     • Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

     @TimWardCam @jwildeboer @gunstick Or people (and businesses) just buy batteries. Prices keep falling and they are perfect for peak shaving.

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 19:53:32 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     • Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE
     • Flo

     @TimWardCam I'd disagree ;) Going through the report yesterday and diving a bit deeper into the numbers has showed me that we made a lot of progress. I wasn't aware of that. So it made me feel better and gave me the feeling that while we can (and must) do even more, we also already did a lot. @Flo_Rian @gunstick

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     Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE (timwardcam@c.im)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 19:53:33 JST Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

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     • Flo

     @jwildeboer @Flo_Rian @gunstick Pessimists are happier people than optimists.

     Because optimists only ever get nasty shocks, whereas pessimists sometimes get nice surprises.

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 19:59:50 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     • Flo

     @Flo_Rian I'm thinking slightly different. With renewables and (hyper-)local storage capacities (battery, hydropower, and, yes, mobile storage via Vehicle to grid with electric cars) we can create microgrids for urban/rural areas the result in more or less free electricity for households. Which allows us to build better grids for industry purposes as the "one size fits all" grid approach is not really working anymore. @TimWardCam @gunstick

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     Flo (flo_rian@norden.social)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 19:59:51 JST Flo

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     • Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

     @jwildeboer @TimWardCam @gunstick My take: Once we equalize supply and demand during the day, electricity costs are so low during peak solar and wind months it makes economical sense to run electrolysers 24/7 during these times and store it as H2/synthetic methane/ammonia.