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   Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 03:29:06 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

   Germany reduced gas imports from Russia to zero. France, Spain, the Netherlands, Italy, and Belgium continue to import LNG (Liquified Natural Gas) in significant amounts from Russia. Why? (Source: https://ieefa.org/european-lng-tracker-september-2024-update#figure8 )

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 03:34:12 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     Also also. With #Trump coming up, is the dependency on US LNG sustainable? The move to #Renewables and storage capacities for electricity can not come soon enough, IMHO.

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 03:40:20 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     (and please. If you reply with counterarguments, add your source(s) the way I always try to do. Fact based discussions are just that much more valuable to me. thx!)

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     Leszek (makdaam@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 03:47:51 JST Leszek

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     @jwildeboer Because Russia closed the valve to Germany? Let's not give German government credit for something they were forced to accept.

     Moving off the limited LNG coming in through channels other than the pipeline was just a logical next step after the pre-winter "oops a pipeline turbine is broken and we can't fix it with all those sanctions" blackmail.

     https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62318376

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 03:58:34 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     • The Penguin of Evil

     @etchedpixels Yep, while we normal people stoically continue to install solar panels and batteries, ride electric bicycles and cars and thus make the fossil fuel mafia irrelevant. We will get there.

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     The Penguin of Evil (etchedpixels@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 03:58:35 JST The Penguin of Evil

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     @jwildeboer I am hoping that if Trumpy goes oil gas oil gas, he'll piss off the Saudi's who will then decide to bury the US fracking and gas industry by flooding the market a bit. Would probably take out the Russians and a few others too at $40 a barrel.

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     Felix Gilcher (xylakant@berlin.social)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 04:01:41 JST Felix Gilcher

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     @jwildeboer Germany however does import gas from Spain and Belgium. Which import gas from Russia. So we do import Russian gas, we just like it laundered.

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     Leszek (makdaam@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 04:06:10 JST Leszek

     @jwildeboer I'm not questioning the effort it took to actually implement the zeroing off Russia's gas. It just wasn't Germany's decision. See https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exclusive-germany-prepares-crisis-plan-abrupt-end-russian-gas-sources-2022-05-09/ and https://www.ft.com/content/6c6352c3-cb60-48e5-aa5e-7cf02328f544
     You could argue that connecting those two causally is just journalistic speculation.
     Well, it would add up if Germany didn't block sanctions against buying Russian LNG in EU https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-blocks-first-ever-sanctions-russian-gas/
     So answer to your actual question about NL & BE is: because it's legal and not an issue according to DE&HU.

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     Leszek (makdaam@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 04:18:44 JST Leszek

     @jwildeboer Is the information about Germany blocking the 14th sanction package for more than a week (which among other things was supposed to block LNG imports from Russia across EU) untrue? Am I misinformed?

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     Felix Gilcher (xylakant@berlin.social)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 04:28:06 JST Felix Gilcher

     @jwildeboer I refer to the sources you posted above. It’s also relevant to take into account that Germany receives most of its gas from pipelines and that includes LNG offloaded at other ports - we do have growing, but still limited capacity for unloading LNG. The source you posted is unclear on how LNG unloaded at other European ports is accounted for.

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     Leszek (makdaam@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 04:33:48 JST Leszek

     @jwildeboer
     Congratulations to Germany on finally arriving here a decade later. It's good they did, It's sad it took so long. Even sadder others didn't arrive yet.

     Regarding the coal: it does and it makes me sad that Poland keeps using almost half as much brown coal as the biggest polluter in EU.
     The move to renewables is slow and there's not enough investment in the grid infrastructure to handle individual producers. I wish both PL and DE did more in that area.

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     Felix Gilcher (xylakant@berlin.social)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 04:39:15 JST Felix Gilcher

     @jwildeboer The primary LNG importing ports that Germany relied on have historically been in Belgium and the Netherlands, both of which import significant amounts of Russian gas. So either our purchases from there are Russian LNG or domestic production which gets sold to Germany and backfilled with Russian LNG. Neither of which is great.

     My more general point is: Looking at individual countries in a European market is comparatively low value.

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     Felix Gilcher (xylakant@berlin.social)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 04:52:43 JST Felix Gilcher

     @jwildeboer Like I said, we just happen to buy significant chunks of our gas via pipelines from countries that just happen to import significant quantities of Russian LNG. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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     Felix Gilcher (xylakant@berlin.social)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 04:56:58 JST Felix Gilcher

     @jwildeboer I do agree that the efforts on the EU level including when it comes to reducing total gas usage have been pretty effective. There are also states in the EU that basically have invested zero effort into reducing their dependency and that’s unacceptable. I just don’t agree that Germany is the shining beacon here.

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     The Penguin of Evil (etchedpixels@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 05:57:06 JST The Penguin of Evil

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     @Crofton @jwildeboer It's also increasingly in their interest to play hardball. If they drop the price to $40 the US and Canadian producers go under. They'll not be able to get funding because it's also obvious that the Saudis can do this whenever they want and that oil is on a rather short runway at this point.
     As a side benefit they get to screw their rivals in Iran and the Houthis.

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     Crofton (crofton@society.oftrolls.com)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 05:57:06 JST Crofton

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     • The Penguin of Evil

     @etchedpixels @jwildeboer life is far more complicated than some people want to believe. I hope they don't, just to teach various world "leaders" a leason

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     Crofton (crofton@society.oftrolls.com)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 05:57:11 JST Crofton

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     • The Penguin of Evil

     @etchedpixels @jwildeboer some people don't understand that the Saudi's control the price of oil. Stupid people will be the end of us.