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   Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 02:54:33 JST Church of Jeff

   #science #Icantbelievethisispolitical #ReligionIsPoison #MAGA

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     Kuenga (kuenga@spinster.xyz)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 03:06:47 JST Kuenga

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     @jeffowski No, independent science.
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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 03:06:47 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Kuenga

     @Kuenga -- And you sir, are why this meme exists...

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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 03:19:30 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Kuenga

     @Kuenga -- I'm very aware, but to divide "science" up into "independent" versus "Not independent" is a demonstration that you actually don't know anything about SCIENCE. There is ONLY ONE SCIENCE.

     FRAUD isn't SCIENCE. Good science is good science no matter WHO is doing it. Properly following the scientific procedure gets you the results and dividing science into categories shows you have no true understanding of this.

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     Kuenga (kuenga@spinster.xyz)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 03:19:31 JST Kuenga

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     @jeffowski Madam!
     And you sir have no idea about the science industry, I would guess.
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     Kuenga (kuenga@spinster.xyz)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 03:28:05 JST Kuenga

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     @jeffowski Scientists live from third-party funding. They get paid, imagine that.
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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 03:28:05 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Kuenga

     @Kuenga -- OH MY GAWD!!! The whole system is corrupt!

     Oh, and Police Officers are paid to write speeding tickets. Doctors are paid to heal people. Truckers are paid to deliver stuff. Chefs are paid to cook. Pilots are paid to fly planes. Teachers are paid to teach.

     If that is your litmus test, you can only be "clean" if you are independently wealthy, so all science to be valid must be done by independently WEALTHY people?

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     Kuenga (kuenga@spinster.xyz)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 03:34:03 JST Kuenga

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     @jeffowski No, it's about scientists “finding out” what is in the interest of their client.
     Please don't pretend to be more stupid than you are.
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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 03:34:03 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Kuenga

     @Kuenga -- So the scientific theory and the scientific process is absolutely void as soon as someone pays for it?

     I'm trying to find out what you define as "independent science" and what I'm really getting from you is that NO SCIENCE meets this requirement because someone is getting paid so ipso facto ALL SCIENCE IS BAD.

     I'm not pretending to be stupid, I'm pretending that you're smart and have a point somewhere.

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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 03:45:00 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Kuenga

     @Kuenga -- So "Paid Science" is what you're against?

     Can you define what "Paid Science" and what "Independent Science" even is?

     Again, what you're saying is that ALL SCIENCE IS BAD since scientists are being paid. If this is incorrect, you have a lot more explaining to do.

     Define what "Paid Science" and "Independent Science" is. I think in even attempting to defining those two phrases, you'll make my point on not actually knowing anything about science.

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     Kuenga (kuenga@spinster.xyz)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 03:45:01 JST Kuenga

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     @jeffowski Yes, now you've got it.
     As soon as a scientist finds out something that violates this current system, he is quickly out of the picture. For example, that Covid injections are damn detrimental to health or that climate change is a joke.
     You as an atheist believe in the independence of paid science, that's a great joke.
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     Kuenga (kuenga@spinster.xyz)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 03:56:16 JST Kuenga

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     @jeffowski There are independent institutions that are financed by donations and employ scientists.
     I once read about it in a documentary, for example an institute was in Italy, the scientists there found out that 5 G radiation is very harmful to living beings.
     The “scientists” who were paid by the big telecommunication companies did not find this out.
     The independent scientist is unfortunately no longer alive, as is a French EU parliamentarian who brought this study to the attention of the EU parliament.
     Some time ago i made a list of independent scientists who died an early death... maybe you are interested?
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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 03:56:16 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Kuenga

     @Kuenga -- So what you're saying is all the science that supports your viewpoint in the world is "valid" science?

     Weren't those scientists paid too?

     You still haven't defined "Independent Science" and "Paid Science".

     Sounds like your scientists were paid.

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     Kuenga (kuenga@spinster.xyz)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 07:58:08 JST Kuenga

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     @jeffowski Definition: Undependent science is when it doesn't matter what you find out you won't get fired or killed?
     Is that enough?
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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 07:58:08 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Kuenga

     @Kuenga -- So you're making up a NEW term when you haven't defined the first term...

     Lets try a different angle.

     Show me a study that is by "independent science" that is acceptible to you, that didn't compensate those scientists for their time and effort in a manner that would guarantee no bias due to the fact that they were compensated.

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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 02:53:57 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Kuenga

     @Kuenga --

     SCIENCE - the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation, and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained.

     From what you've described above, what you seem to define "Independent Science" as the scientific studies that support your worldview and where the scientists are uncompensated or paid in any way since that is your definiton of corruption.

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     Kuenga (kuenga@spinster.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 02:53:58 JST Kuenga

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     @jeffowski Good morning, what don't you like about my definition, it's still about the term independent science, isn't it?
     To get back to the point, why don't YOU define the term: "better science" which is used in your meme?
     By the way, I have the impression this conversation is more about some kind of brain wank than coming to any kind of mutual understanding.
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     Kuenga (kuenga@spinster.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 04:26:33 JST Kuenga

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     @jeffowski I never defined it that way. It has nothing to do with my world view when scientists are silenced. These are your own projections.
     I recommend the book “Science Set free” by Rupert Sheldrake. In it, the dogmas of mainstream science are attacked, which are already wrong from the outset and can therefore never lead to correct findings. For example, that nature is mechanical and that matter is unconscious.
     But since I assume that you are one of the concrete heads who assume exactly that and for whom man is just the sum of his parts and the mind is in the brain, I have little hope that you will read it, do you?
     However, it's nothing personal. But I'll end this fruitless conversation now and wish you a good life.
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     Church of Jeff (jeffowski@mastodon.world)'s status on Saturday, 02-Nov-2024 04:26:33 JST Church of Jeff

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     • Kuenga

     @Kuenga -- JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, are you going to define these terms or not?

     You're becoming a troll that is not debating in good faith.

     You cannot even express or define your own terms so you've made yourself undebateable because no one knows what the fuck you're talking about.