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   LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 19:46:07 JST LisPi
   I wonder what would help get rid of the mistreatment that is common in service jobs (particularly chain stores).
   
   Is unionization the answer? Or is there something else that can be done on a regulatory/legislative level (besides enshrining unions and getting rid of anti-union bullshit, of course)?
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 19:46:06 JST iced depresso

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     @lispi314 most of the abuse in retail is from customers so idk what the union would do? take bribes to not go on strike?
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 19:53:38 JST iced depresso

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     @lispi314 hate to tell you this but it's not just management at the box stores. it's a weirdly pushed cultural value to just be passive and take abuse.
     
     even public schools entrench learned helplessness on the students (ex. constant reinforcement of not defending yourself, punishing people who defend themselves)
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 19:53:39 JST LisPi

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn It seems to be very common for management to encourage workers not to defend themselves, instead of intervening by having rude customers escorted out and/or banned depending on what they did.
     
     That is where I think unions would have an impact.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 20:05:18 JST iced depresso

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     @lispi314 :blobcatdunno: because you're just supposed to be a resource extractor for the wealthy, and management is just the modern day pedagog (slave in charge of the slaves, for the purpose of the master having someone to delegate orders to.)
     
     at least that's what the unschooling community has figured out.
     
     other than that, couldn't say.
     
     i think stores can/do kick people out but they're expected to do so by calling the police, which in turn requires the person to be more than just a little rude, and de-escalation or deflection can get the person out of the store faster than an escalation.
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 20:05:19 JST LisPi

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn Yeah, wtf is up with that?