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   Une of the Unmensch of Ash-Trees (une@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Oct-2024 01:54:42 JST Une of the Unmensch of Ash-Trees
   btw the most primary quality of the soul is that it endows animals with the capacity for movement so all humans have souls by virtue of the fact they are not a corpse even if you don't like them and think they are retarded
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Oct-2024 01:54:40 JST georgia

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     @une @Merc animals always do the will of God, yet are lower than humans. How queer.
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     Mercurial "The Game" Black (merc@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Oct-2024 01:54:41 JST Mercurial "The Game" Black

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     @une I thought primary quality of soul was capacity for free will
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     Une of the Unmensch of Ash-Trees (une@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Oct-2024 01:54:41 JST Une of the Unmensch of Ash-Trees

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     @Merc no, because animals don't have free will (according to the ancients)
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     Une of the Unmensch of Ash-Trees (une@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Oct-2024 01:55:57 JST Une of the Unmensch of Ash-Trees

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     @georgia @Merc the Sages say that this is because man has to overcome the temptation to subvert God's will, and so to act according to His will is more meaningful
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Oct-2024 01:57:57 JST georgia

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     @une @Merc That's wise but I suspect it is only part of the answer. :ThinkingTurtle:
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     Une of the Unmensch of Ash-Trees (une@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Oct-2024 01:59:04 JST Une of the Unmensch of Ash-Trees

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     @Merc idk i don't really believe animals don't have free will/i don't believe there's a real meaningful distinction between free will and determinism that isn't based entirely on convention, and i haven't studied what the traditions say about it in very much depth
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Oct-2024 01:59:04 JST georgia

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     @une @Merc I think some animals can be said to have free will, like dolphins and elephants.
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     Mercurial "The Game" Black (merc@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Oct-2024 01:59:05 JST Mercurial "The Game" Black

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     @une how do animals not have free will?
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     Une of the Unmensch of Ash-Trees (une@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Oct-2024 02:01:14 JST Une of the Unmensch of Ash-Trees

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     @georgia @Merc I think all animals have free will
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Oct-2024 02:01:14 JST georgia

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     @une @Merc discourse like this probably ultimately devolves into semantics
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Oct-2024 02:04:01 JST georgia

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     @une @Merc well man can become liberated through yoga. this is the ultimate expression of participation in God's Plan for the world.
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     Une of the Unmensch of Ash-Trees (une@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Oct-2024 02:04:02 JST Une of the Unmensch of Ash-Trees

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     @georgia @Merc the other part of the answer that I've heard is that man has the capacity to reason/can come to know God and, according to Iamblichus and some of the neoplatonists, is able to participate, on account of this special quality of the soul, to participate theurgically in creation. I don't know if I believe this is some special quality of man's
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     Une of the Unmensch of Ash-Trees (une@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Oct-2024 02:04:23 JST Une of the Unmensch of Ash-Trees

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     @georgia @Merc like i said, i don't think there is a meaningful, non-semantic distinction between free will and no-free will at all
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