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   A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 00:40:35 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

   Nazism is on the ballot this year, and people who consider themselves Nazis know it, even if so many of the rest of us seem not to want to.

   So it came to pass that Nazis came to the pro-Trump boat show last week.

   They're only the most recent Nazis.

   https://www.the-reframe.com/this-has-to-be-normal/

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:00 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     What's extraordinary about this is that it's all just assumed. Republicanism (or American Nazism) is normal because it has to be normal, because if it wasn't normal we'd have a lot of things to unpack and fix and solve, and that might get us into time and money.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:01 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     The normal one here is Donald Trump, who is framed not as a racist, but somebody under attack from accusations of racism, accusations that are entirely baffling despite many relevant examples. The one who has to explain themselves is anyone suggesting that a racist is a racist.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:01 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     he premise: Trump can't possibly be racist, not if millions and millions of people support him. The premise I guess being it would be impossible for millions and millions of people to support a racist, because that would suggest that millions and millions of people are racist.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:01 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     The idea that millions of millions of Americans being racist and loving racism and responding enthusiastically to it is not ever on the table, even as the evidence that this happens to be true is overwhelming and inescapable.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:01 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     And it's never asked, is it, that since millions and millions of Americans hate Donald Trump, that Harris is actually *in* touch rather than *out* of touch? Supremacist Americans are normal, is the unspoken frame, and whoever they support must be normal, too.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:02 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     Those who don't know might be forgiven. There's a main effort in headlines and stories to normalize with headlines like "Trump seems energetic in a scattered speech" and lines like "Trump told the crowd golf stories."

     There are exceptions, but ignorance is always on the menu.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:02 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     Kamala Harris sat for an interview on CBS' news program 60 Minutes the other day, as is traditional. Donald Trump skipped it, as is not traditional.

     Harris is the one who continues to face accusations of ducking the media.

     But never mind. This exchange caught my notice.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:02 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     Now this is extraordinary for a lot of reasons.

     There is the idea that Donald Trump, who is clearly a virulent racist, isn't a racist, no no—he has been accused of using racist tropes.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:03 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     It's almost like most people in our media and many in our country are more committed to telling comforting fictions than to observing the actual swastika that's actually flapping around.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:03 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     It's almost as if people are more interested in finding a way to not know things that are difficult to ignore than they are in simply looking around and knowing.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:03 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     Yesterday Donald Trump, whose brain is actively melting like a slice of Velveeta atop an Arizona Cybertruck, waxed rhapsodic to his crowd about Arnold Palmer's apparently giant penis, which isn't the most lunatic thing he's done this month, it's just the most recent.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:03 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     Trump's brain resembles an accordion blind door in that it was never hinged in the first place, but he's observably batshit now, and millions and millions of people seem to not know or care.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:04 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     And you'll have to ignore proposals like using the military against "the enemy within" or deploying white supremacist paramilitary gangs to purge the ethnic minorities "poisoning the blood" of the country, and the fact that Trump is now only lucid when delivering Nazi rhetoric.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:04 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     And you'll have to ignore the fact that Trump's rhetoric and policy positions have always been near to Nazism and now are completely indistinguishable from it.

     And you'll have to ignore many other things—too many to list.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:04 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     f you want to ignore those things, the story about the Nazi boat show—one of the few stories about the event—has got your your back. It largely ignores them, too, and leads off and closes with rationales for minimizing the clear implications.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:04 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     Now, if you're somebody who isn't into ignorance, you might find it odd that anyone organizing a pro-Trump boat show would object to the presence of Nazis at a rally in support of a clearly Nazi-aligned candidate for the presidency. You might pursue that angle.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:05 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     They flew their swastikas and delivered the usual slogans and salutes and slurs. They have a more honest version of the Trump hat that they sell, which says MAKE AMERICA WHITE AGAIN. There aren't many stories about it. "Ho-hum, Nazis at a Trump event" is the thinking I suppose.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:05 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     The story I read is at pains to point out that this was only one boat among hundreds flying Nazi gear, and that the boat organizer called the Nazis "scum," so if you want to believe that this event was a one-off sort of oddity, you're invited by the story to do so.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:05 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     In order to accept the story's invitation, though, you'll have to enter an intricate and multi-layered ignorance—about the fact that Nazi support for Trump (and vice versa) runs broad and deep throughout Trump's political career, to begin with.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:05 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     And you'll have to ignore the fact that Trump and his party are demonizing racial minorities as subhuman vermin, using vile lies in order to foment violence against them as an entrée to fomenting much more violence against many more people on the basis of even worse lies.

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     A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ? (juliusgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:03:35 JST A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck ?

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     If millions and millions of the American people are racist, then America might be a supremacist nation, and if we started saying that America was a supremacist nation, then we would have to deal with that fact.

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     Marv Clowder (marvclowder@mstdn.jp)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:05:17 JST Marv Clowder

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     The money quote, as it were:

     "What's extraordinary about this is that it's all just assumed. Republicanism or American Nazism or white supremacy or whatever you want to call it is normal because it has to be normal, because if it wasn't normal than we'd have to say it wasn't, and then we'd have a lot of things to unpack and fix and solve, and that might get us into time and money."

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     Marv Clowder (marvclowder@mstdn.jp)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:05:18 JST Marv Clowder

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     They don't call it Jupiter for nothing.

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