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   Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 11-Oct-2024 02:31:20 JST Fish of Rage
   I learned in school dealing with my own bullies that bullying is the status quo and defending yourself is "escalation." That is why bullying never gets stopped but you get in trouble when you punch back.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 11-Oct-2024 02:33:02 JST Fish of Rage

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     The way that schools operate, many of the people that work in them, is absolutely disgusting.
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     Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 11-Oct-2024 02:38:40 JST Mancow Muller ?

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     Same thing in the adult world I've experienced: you're free to shit but not shit back.
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     That Mushroom (that-mushroom@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 11-Oct-2024 02:39:05 JST That Mushroom

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     Teachers were the bullies in my school. Not physical, but psychological mental abuse.
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     Tiberius J. Nougat (lord_nougat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 11-Oct-2024 02:39:05 JST Tiberius J. Nougat

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     Hey teachers! Leave them kids alone!
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     ランファン (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Friday, 11-Oct-2024 02:42:04 JST ランファン

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     @sun
     
     I got ejected from a school dance for getting suckerpunched by someone. My glasses flew across the room and I had no opportunity to even consider fighting back because I could not see him.
     
     Why was I ejected? “It takes two to make a fight” and they tried to get me to admit to provoking him. Unless he is offended by the YMCA dance I was doing just like everyone else, I couldn’t think of anything. So they called me a liar and my parents still had to come pick me up. At that point I still didn’t know who did it.
     
     I did find out later and it was a bully who didn’t like me and felt free to do what he wanted because it was a graduation dance held after the ceremony and we’d be in high school the next year so no legitimate way to punish him. And he knew it.
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 11-Oct-2024 02:48:41 JST of nothing

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     @sun a preschool teacher once announced this rule:
     1. if you hit someone, you get in trouble
     2. if someone hits you and you hit them back, ONLY YOU get in trouble.
     I was, at that young age, already an asshole, and I knew a particular kid had no self-control, so I hit him and got him in trouble three times before I got tired of it.
     
     Uncharitably, that kid was a moron who was unable to navigate a rule this simple, to retaliate through the teacher instead of directly.
     Charitably, this kid stuck to his intuition and what his parents told him (correctly, that tit-for-tat keeps people from persistently abusing you) and simply refused to care about this malicious teacher's preschool punishments.
     
     But my clearest lessons in how bad school is, were
     1. home-schooling for a couple of years and in those years picking up lifelong habits that still support me, putting schooling's minimal contributions in perspective.
     2. having a close sibling going through the same school system a few years behind me, and consulting notes to see how rapid the degeneration was. A program rewarded reading above grade-level for me, would a few years later punish that.