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   Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 03:16:37 JST Tim Chambers

   • Steve Streza

   @stevestreza I’ve switched to #Vivaldi but not just over their ad policy - but over many rudderless choices and their mistreatment of their past CTO.

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     Steve Streza (stevestreza@indieweb.social)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 04:53:33 JST Steve Streza

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     @tchambers You do you, but it's Chromium, it's still just playing into the Google browser engine monopoly which ultimately does not require you to be using Google Chrome™ to benefit.

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 04:56:32 JST Tim Chambers

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     • Steve Streza

     @stevestreza Yeah, the whole chromium monoculture is my one issue with Vivaldi. But if you no longer have faith in Mozilla, you have very, very few other routes -- the Vivaldi incarnation of that rendering engine is the best option I've seen.

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     Steve Streza (stevestreza@indieweb.social)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:11:17 JST Steve Streza

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     @tchambers It is impossible to decouple Google from Chromium. Even if Vivaldi disabled every telemetry call, undid every hostile decision, had sane ad blocking support, etc, the hand of Chromium and Google's browser monopoly will still be there. And Google has done far more harm than Mozilla ever has.

     So to reject Firefox out of "losing faith in Mozilla" for Chromium implies that "faith in Google" is satisfactory OR is a standard not applied to Google because it's laundered through Vivaldi.

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 03:59:25 JST Tim Chambers

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     • Steve Streza

     @stevestreza I do share your concern on a Chromium/Blink monoculture, and Google's influence for sure.

     I just have lost faith in Mozilla as a steward of Firefox/Gekko.

     So a Viivaldi, closing off any harm from Chromium, etc, building in their own ad blocker, etc, is the best I think we can hope for unless another open source browser engeine emerges.

     https://vivaldi.com/blog/manifest-v3-update-vivaldi-is-future-proofed-with-its-built-in-functionality/

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     Paul McBride (thepaulmcbride@indieweb.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 04:03:37 JST Paul McBride

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     • Servo

     @tchambers @stevestreza I’m hopeful in a few years we’ll see something useful being built with @servo

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 04:05:54 JST Tim Chambers

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     • Paul McBride
     • Steve Streza
     • Servo

     @ThePaulMcBride @stevestreza @servo 👍

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 09:38:00 JST Tim Chambers

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     • Lord

     @lord @stevestreza Good here is hoping they mature fast and become solid options!

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     Lord (lord@pleroma.lord.re)'s status on Monday, 07-Oct-2024 09:38:01 JST Lord

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     • Steve Streza

     @tchambers @stevestreza You have two new browser emerging : servo (started by mozilla) and ladybird (by a new team). Both are young and not usable right now but very promising.