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   Nonilex (nonilex@masto.ai)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 03:39:16 JST Nonilex

   #JDVance wanted to focus on the future, he said. His past, & his party’s, intervened.
   For some 90 mins, #Vance, a proud #Republican ambassador to the online #right, had largely tailored his #debate-night message to a mass audience, avoiding most detours into #conservative fever swamps, as if determined to deliver a rolling rebuttal to Democrats’ longstanding suggestion that he was “#weird” & out of step.

   By Matt Flegenheimer
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   https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/02/us/politics/vance-jan-6-debate.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

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     Nonilex (nonilex@masto.ai)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 03:39:12 JST Nonilex

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     “We need to tell the story,” #TimWalz said. “I mean, he lost this #election & he said he didn’t.”

     Walz often speaks w/a how’d-I-even-get-here feint toward political humility….

     At his most effective, he is a kind of Labrador retriever of a communicator: affable, game, just happy to be there….

     On Tues, after some dissembling earlier in the #debate — …Walz made a bid for the high ground, summoning more compelling details from his biography.

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     Nonilex (nonilex@masto.ai)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 03:39:12 JST Nonilex

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     He was a teacher, he noted, & a football coach.
     “I worked wi/kids long enough to know,” he said, “sometimes you really want to win.”

     But #Republicans like #Trump were already laying the groundwork to contest the current #election, he continued, & perhaps even to #imprison their political opponents.
     “A president’s words matter,” #TimWalz said, punctuating his own. “A president’s words matter. People hear that.”

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     Nonilex (nonilex@masto.ai)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 03:39:13 JST Nonilex

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     For all their occasional paeans to #civility on Tues, this was the moment that crystallized an unshakable truth about this #election: One side still refuses to acknowledge the #truth about the last one — the persistent falsehood that has come to define so much of the era’s fragile & rampaging #politics.

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     Nonilex (nonilex@masto.ai)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 03:39:14 JST Nonilex

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     “Remember,” #Vance said of #Trump, “he said that on January the 6th, the protesters ought to protest peacefully. And on January the 20th, what happened? Joe Biden became the president. Donald Trump left the White House.”

     This accounting was short a few details—the #violence, the #deaths & #injuries, the alleged #criminal #conspiracy, the “Hang Mike Pence” of it all.

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     Nonilex (nonilex@masto.ai)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 03:39:14 JST Nonilex

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     #JDVance pivoted jarringly to the subject of censorship. #TimWalz glanced up at the camera, silent, like a television character breaking the fourth wall.

     “Well, I’ve enjoyed tonight’s debate,” #Walz began when it was his turn again, assessing an evening that was sometimes wobbly for him. He was about to enjoy it more.

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     Nonilex (nonilex@masto.ai)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 03:39:15 JST Nonilex

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     But when the #debate turned, near its final frames, to the subject of the 2020 election, #Vance faced a choice: He could validate, once more, #Trump’s relentless #lies about his defeat 4 yrs ago. Or he could try something else in the spirit of moving forward.

     It did not seem like a difficult decision for him.

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     Nonilex (nonilex@masto.ai)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 03:39:15 JST Nonilex

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     “What President #Trump has said is that there were problems,” #JDVance said when asked about his own past assertion that he would not have certified the 2020 election. “We should fight about those issues, debate those issues, peacefully in the public square. And that’s all I’ve said. And that’s all that Donald Trump has said.”

     His debate opponent, #TimWalz, stared at him, unblinking….

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     Nonilex (nonilex@masto.ai)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 04:23:29 JST Nonilex

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     There was a reason, he added, that #MikePence was not on the stage as #Trump’s running mate anymore.

     And it was worth asking, he said, what that tells the viewers about #JDVance.

     “America, I think you’ve got a really clear choice,” #TimWalz said, his eyes getting bigger, “of who’s going to honor that #democracy & who’s going to honor Donald Trump.”

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     Nonilex (nonilex@masto.ai)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 04:23:29 JST Nonilex

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     Among the #lies #Trump running mate #JDVance told over the course of the #VPdebate w/ Governor #TimWalz, denying his support for a national #AbortionBan may haunt him the longest because it is so easily disproven. Rachel #Maddow shares #Vance's own words contradicting his claims at the #debate, & discusses w/MSNBC colleagues.

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     #ReproductiveRights
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     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMEkEo1ak68

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     Nonilex (nonilex@masto.ai)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 04:23:30 JST Nonilex

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     “#Jan6 was not Facebook ads,” #TimWalz shot back, as #JDVance smiled slightly.

     #Walz had a question for his counterpart.

     “He is still saying he didn’t lose the election,” Walz said of #Trump, turning grandly to #Vance. “Did he lose the 2020 election?”

     “Tim,” Vance replied, “I’m focused on the future.” He swerved to a point about Covid & censorship.

     “That,” Walz said, “is a damning non-answer.”

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     Nonilex (nonilex@masto.ai)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 04:23:31 JST Nonilex

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     #JDVance had heard enough.

     “It’s really rich,” he said, chopping the air w/his hands, “for Democratic leaders to say that Donald #Trump is a unique threat to #democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th.”

     He moved to equate past Democratic complaints about #election outcomes, including invocations of Russian interference in 2016 through FB ads & other means, w/the response in 2020.

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 04:26:05 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

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     #USpol #Elections2024 #VDVance

     I thought the same thing.

     Still, let's not forget his biggest tactical error:

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 04:31:38 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

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     #USpol #Elections2024 #VDVance

     I thought the same thing.

     Still, let's not forget his biggest tactical error when he fed the lie that he 👉knew to be untrue👈 to his boss, the #MAGA cult leader, #TFG--and everybody laughed at him!

     If I had #TFG's Caligula mindset and such an efficient #SecretaryOfRetribution-in-waiting 1), #Vance would now have a target on his back gor this 👉global humiliation [just click on the YT link:]

     https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/113137795867990806

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 04:32:02 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

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     @Nonilex

     #USpol #Elections2024 #VDVance

     I thought the same thing.

     Still, let's not forget his biggest tactical error when he fed the lie that he 👉knew to be untrue👈 to his boss, the #MAGA cult leader, #TFG--and everybody laughed at him!

     If I had #TFG's Caligula mindset and such an efficient #SecretaryOfRetribution-in-waiting 1), #Vance would now have a target on his back for this 👉global humiliation that he caused [just click on the YT link:]

     https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/113137795867990806

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 04:33:33 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

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     PS

     1)

     #SecretaryOfRetribution
     https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/112766583767231957