Elia Ayoub (he/him)
A million ppl have already been displaced in #Lebanon and the IDF publishes a map that effectively condemns half the country. These are Shia-majority areas for the most part. This is forced demographic change. Mass ethnic cleansing.
These are also Lebanon’s agricultural areas.
Betsy Bee
@ayoub Where are people supposed to go? I feel sick looking at this. How are international community allowing this?
Betsy Bee
@lioryair @ayoub Your words will bring such comfort to the newly displaced.
Lior Yair
@ayoub War is not pretty.
But it is how it is.
Israel also has large swaths of lands evacuated in the north.
maryjane :fediverso:
"We have been waiting for this opportunity for years" Says IDF cheif.
If you think that this is about the lands evacuated in the north of Israel in the last 12 months, you are delusional.
IDF wanted this for years, and Netanyahu just wants the war to continue because if it stops.
Then there will be elections in Israel, and he will likely loose power and go to jail because of the court cases from before the war.
Lior Yair
@BetsyBeeee @ayoub
Comfort? No. But as a resident of Philippines, I know that life is not as comfy as you westerners think.
We're constantly under threat from China. But none of yall care.
I have comfort in knowing the overall, peace loving Israelis, have intelligently invested billions in missile defense systems, and mandatory safe rooms in every home.
Betsy Bee
@lioryair @ayoub Talk about changing the subject. How dare you try to make yourself the victim here? You wrote a disgusting unfeeling thing. Own it.
Betsy Bee
@lioryair @ayoub So whataboutery is all you've got? How can you tell what any of my opinions are about anything based on the knowledge you have? You wrote a nasty thing showing a complete lack of compassion and you're doubling down. It's embarrassing. You have access to Google. Look up logical fallacies. You're not good at this.
Lior Yair
@BetsyBeeee @ayoub
Disgusting? Yall are complaining about the suffering of Lebanon & Palestine in times of war, while you couldn't give 2 shits about significantly worse suffering somewhere else.
Why don't you care about the literal genocide in China right now?
China is as of now, committing actual ethnic cleansing. In mass.
You're attacking Israel for defending itself.
Go after the actual big evils of this planet.
Where were you when the northern Israelis were displaced.
Quiet. Hypocrisy.
Lior Yair
@BetsyBeeee @ayoub
Because unfortunately, it's extremely predictable.
If you'd like, prove me wrong.
Say right now, that the western world needs to put serious sanctions on China due to it.
And the displacement of Israelis is as bad as the displacement of Lebanon, if not worse.
As well as its right to defend itself, from the 500 missiles just shot at it by Iran.
Go on. I'll hold.
Also while you're at this, there are currently 0 Jews alive in Gaza strip.
Please, condemn actual ethnic cleansing.
Betsy Bee
@lioryair @ayoub I'm still waiting for you to show any compassion for the people whose lives you unceremoniously dismissed as being irrelevant because war happens. Obviously you don't care about the 10s of thousands of innocent people who have been killed in the topic we're actually discussing. You don't care at all. Of course people in other conflicts matter. That's the point. Picking and choosing of deserving and undeserving victims is the sign of the brainwashed.
Betsy Bee
@lioryair @ayoub I know a lot of people from China, I've been there and I agree that the government is oppressive, especially to ethnic minorities. In my position as a nobody in the world, I can do very little to help, apart from help the people I meet through my work, which I do do. What do you do to help the oppressed?
Lior Yair
@BetsyBeeee @ayoub
Sure, it's a shame innocent Lebanese folk have been displaced due to Israels retaliation.
And I hope they'll be able to retake their country from Muslim extremism, and be able to live peaceful coexistence with the Israelis.
Especially the poor suppressed Lebanese Christians.
Hopefully Hezbollah shall fall.
And the Lebanese people will be free of their Muslim oppressors.
Now, would you kindly condemn the actions of Muslim extremists vs IL, as well as the Chinese government
Betsy Bee
@lioryair @ayoub I think murdering people is wrong and I condemn anyone who uses it as their go to tactic. October 7 was an atrocity. So is the murder of so many Gazans and Palestinians. You haven't condemned their murder, or is killing people OK in your religion?
Lior Yair
@BetsyBeeee @ayoub
I've adopted as many god children as I can afford, and do my best to be charitable with my income.
Now please. I've done as you've requested.
Condemn the actions of Muslims extremists such as Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran, Syria, as well as the ethnic cleansing of China, as well as its great horrible actions.
And state that the Jewish people of Israel have a right to defend itself.
As well as that the displacement of northern Israel is just as bad, as of Lebanon.
Prove. Me. Wrong.
Betsy Bee
@lioryair @ayoub and Israel has a right to defend itself from being bombed and they have a lot of help with that and are very successful, as yesterday proved. But they don't have a right to invade or bomb others. They don't have a right to commit war crimes. Nobody does.
Betsy Bee
@lioryair @ayoub So murder is OK in your religion? This is why I'm not religious. I believe in morals. Religious people don't. They outsource their thinking which means they justify atrocities.
Lior Yair
@BetsyBeeee @ayoub
No, I'd like you to specifically state you condemn. Iran, Syria, Hamas, & Hezbollah.
In my religion, it is A OK to defend your nation from its enemies, even if it means the death of civilians of the enemy state.
Civilian casualties are a millennia old fact of war.
Now purposeful targeting of Civilians, is wrong.
Like what Hamas, Hezbollah & Iran do.
Please condemn the organizations of Hamas, Hezbollah, Leadership of Iran, Leadership of Syria.
It's hard to get you to condemn.
Betsy Bee
@lioryair @ayoub I know a lot of Lebanese people (many of whom are Christians) who are worried sick about their families. They had nothing to with any attacks on Israel. And believe me, they don't think their country being ripped up and destroyed or justified. You don't give a fuck about real people's lives.
Lior Yair
@BetsyBeeee @ayoub
So, you think self defense doesn't include counter attack?
You must believe that kids who're assaulted at school should just take it like potato sacks.
Accept reality. You attack a country, it has a right to counter attack.
It is absolutely bonkers, how far Israel is taking steps to defend another countries civilians.
Israel should do what is necessary to disarm their enemies.
Which absolutely would require land entry to Lebanon & Gaza.
Iran, just blow up nuclear & gas produc
Betsy Bee
@lioryair @ayoub self defence certainly doesn't include attacking others. Where does it end? By attacking others, you end up murdering innocent people who, by your logic, would be justified in self defence by preemptive attacks.
People with flawed logic like you are the reason the world is so messed up.
Lior Yair
@BetsyBeeee @ayoub
What happened to not attacking people?
Yes, they can, and should be worried about their families.
I suggest they take up arms and uproot Hezbollah.
Now, would you, for the millionth time, condemn terror organizations who publicly call for genocide?
As I'm about to drop this conversation. As clearly, you're a terrorist support.
Why else wouldn't you condemn organizations like Hezbollah & Hamas, if you don't support them?
Betsy Bee
@lioryair @ayoub I've already said I don't believe in murder. It's pretty clear I don't agree with terrorism as a tactic. Now will you condemn Israeli war crimes and the murder of innocent people including children? Didn't think so. You have "religion' and morals but only for selected people. Of course you're going to drop the conversation. You're a hypocrite.
Lior Yair
@BetsyBeeee @ayoub
Murder is by definition, wrongful killing of another, so no, Murder is not allowed.
Killing of people during war, absolutely is allowed.
And is shown in the holy books of every single religion.
And even without religion, it is absolutely reasonable to kill civilians in war.
I'm sure you don't condemn the British bombing of Germany which killed millions of German civilians do you?
At least, I hope so.
Betsy Bee
Betsy Bee
@lioryair @ayoub By your own logic, the attacks by Hamas and Hesbollah are justified because you believe that war is a reasonable solution to solve grievances and preemptive attacks are OK. If they're wrong, Israel is wrong too. Can't be one rule for one and a different rule for another.
Lior Yair
@BetsyBeeee @ayoub
It's easy really, they've had years of basically no activity on the border with Lebanon, then Hezbollah attacks Israel.
It's not rocket science. It's really not complicated.
And yes, preemptive strikes, are justified.
If an enemy is amassing soldiers on your borders, and you have intel they're about to attack, it totally makes sense to do a preemptive strike.
Sometimes, I forget how naive people get.
Israel has a right to make sure, they won't be able to do this again.
Betsy Bee
@lioryair @ayoub LOL. Hope you gain critical thinking skills soon
Lior Yair
@BetsyBeeee @ayoub
I'm seriously, not "religious" at all.
I've done all you ask so far, and you've not given me an inch.
I'm sure Hitler is proud anti semetism is alive and well in the western world.
Have a good day Betsy.
Israeli has done 0 murders thus far, there is nothing for me to condemn.
You're unwilling to condemn the folk who raped hundreds of woman & children.
Clearly, you're a Hamas lover.
Little to discuss with you.
Have a g'day Betsy, I hope you grow up one day!
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