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   Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 14:25:48 JST Paul Cantrell

   • nullagent

   We need public safety.

   I don’t know what this is, but it’s sure as hell not public safety.

   From @nullagent:
   https://partyon.xyz/@nullagent/113162515857048774

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 14:27:26 JST Paul Cantrell

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     I am simply saying — hear me out now — that we should stop doing what doesn’t work, and replace the police with something else, something very different, that •does• work.

     This is not a wild idea.

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     Jenniferplusplus (jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 14:52:40 JST Jenniferplusplus

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     @inthehands have I brought up my idea to separate the function of cops into exactly public safety and law enforcement?

     Public safety would be an emergency service, empowered very narrowly to contain and end dangerous situations, and obligated to protect life, health, and property, in that order. They would have no investigative or law enforcement powers whatsoever.

     And law enforcement would be like it sounds, but with no authority to use force or violence.

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     Mathaetaes (mathaetaes@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 23:34:15 JST Mathaetaes

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     @inthehands If it was literally anyone other than a police officer, we'd be calling it a mass shooting, reporters would be digging up dirt on the the disturbed shooter/shooters, someone would inevitably call them 'crazy' and try to blame poor mental health, people would be pointing fingers at who gave them the gun.

     But because the guy managed to complete 6 months of community college-level education, we give them a gun and a free pass.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 23:34:15 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Mathaetaes

     @mathaetaes
     Agreed 100%, except for the implied dig at community college, which is (1) frequently •awesome• and (2) far, far, far better than the training police get.

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Friday, 20-Sep-2024 08:38:40 JST Charlie Stross

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     @inthehands If you're talking about US-model policing, one starting point might be the Peelian Principles. Mostly fallen by the wayside in the UK after 200 years but they were revolutionary in the 1820s, and to this day British cops aren't as venal and violent as their US counterparts.

     Take the Principles and add an overriding duty to "protect the public" as higher priority than "enforce the law"—bearing in mind that even suspected lawbreakers are part of the public—and it's a start.