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   Luna :neofox_snug: (lunareclipse@snug.moe)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 05:33:31 JST Luna :neofox_snug:

   "web is broken and http bad"
   
   Is HTTP really that bad? I think that post meant HTML :neofox_woozy:
   
   Idk HTML5/CSS/JS have sort of all became huge clusterfucks that are extremely hard to implement to a useable extent which is why we have a browser engine duopoly now.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 05:33:29 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • nina
     @q66 @lunareclipse Always forget there's more than http/1.1 (Also I guess 4 generations due to http/0.9?)
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     nina (q66@blahaj.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 05:33:30 JST nina

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     @lunareclipse well http is pretty bad too, to the point we now have 3 generations of it each of which is a differently serialized format and differently bad :3

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     nina (q66@blahaj.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 05:51:37 JST nina

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     @lunareclipse http/3 breaks correct layering (shoving implementation bits where they don't belong) and reimplements on udp what tcp has been designed for in the first place, http/2 has design flaws (its multiplexing design is fundamentally misguided) that resulted in http/3 appearing so quickly after everybody had just deployed it (and cursed stuff like server push), and http/1 is legacy jankfest

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     nina (q66@blahaj.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 05:51:37 JST nina

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     @lunareclipse also both http/2 and http/3 were largely designed and pushed by google to satisfy their own needs, but the complexity/burden of implementing stuff falls on other people, and each version is harder to implement than the previous

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     Luna :neofox_snug: (lunareclipse@snug.moe)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 05:51:39 JST Luna :neofox_snug:

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     • nina

     @q66 in what ways is each one bad? I mainly know that HTTP/1.3 uses QUIC and works over UDP, and is noticeably faster than the older ones for like loading websites.