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   13 barn owls in a trenchcoat (hauntedowlbear@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 21:51:26 JST 13 barn owls in a trenchcoat

   If HTML were still for people, rather than corporations, we'd still have and tags in the current spec.

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     Sylvhem (sylvhem@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 21:57:04 JST Sylvhem

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     @HauntedOwlbear To be fair, that clearly belongs to CSS.

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     13 barn owls in a trenchcoat (hauntedowlbear@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 22:06:44 JST 13 barn owls in a trenchcoat

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     • Sylvhem

     @Sylvhem I have an entire set of opinions about CSS, most of which boil down to the idea that, although separating content from formatting has arguments in its favour (I've worked in publishing, I really do get it), the move to do so destroyed the broader accessibility and flexibility of HTML.

     I also dislike CSS as a language, but I'm prepared to accept that as a me thing.

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     13 barn owls in a trenchcoat (hauntedowlbear@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 22:07:27 JST 13 barn owls in a trenchcoat

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     • :trebuchet: Kale :trebuchet:

     @DarkestKale Oh yeah, they're reprehensible, but that's not the point.

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     :trebuchet: Kale :trebuchet: (darkestkale@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 22:07:28 JST :trebuchet: Kale :trebuchet:

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     @HauntedOwlbear Even back in 1998, people hated blink tags, Owlz.

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     Sylvhem (sylvhem@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 22:10:22 JST Sylvhem

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     @HauntedOwlbear Really? I’m only doing HTML and CSS has a hobby, but I always felt like it let things be more flexible, not less. You can apply different styling to the same page without having to touch the content, and I think that’s pretty cool!

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     13 barn owls in a trenchcoat (hauntedowlbear@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 22:13:29 JST 13 barn owls in a trenchcoat

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     • Sylvhem

     @Sylvhem Honestly, this is more an "old man shakes fist at cloud" position / blatant shitpost † than any kind of argument I can maintain an actual argument for.

     † the top post, but I really do dislike CSS personally - I think the main thing is that's no longer trivial to just scribble your entire site and its formatting into a text editor and have something attractive and functional 10 minutes later.

     (Although obviously, I can do that using depreciated code, and fully intend to: https://eldritch.cafe/@HauntedOwlbear/113113338178920525 )

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     Sylvhem (sylvhem@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 22:14:40 JST Sylvhem

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     @HauntedOwlbear But you can do that with CSS too. I recently did just that for a little website I’m working on.

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     13 barn owls in a trenchcoat (hauntedowlbear@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 22:17:46 JST 13 barn owls in a trenchcoat

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     • Sylvhem

     @Sylvhem oh fine (that is incredibly cool, though, could I see your site?)

     To be specific I personally cannot knock out a dedicated CSS file correctly to accompany my HTML, and definitely don't have time to learn the skill 😭

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     13 barn owls in a trenchcoat (hauntedowlbear@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 22:55:33 JST 13 barn owls in a trenchcoat

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     • Martijn Frazer

     @Tijn @Sylvhem

     That's incredibly sweet, and when my time is less rationed, I shall take you up on it!

     I genuinely love how fedi has the very "no, look, this thing is good, you can learn how to do it, I believe in you!" attitude. You're both being awesome like that.

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     Martijn Frazer (tijn@dosgame.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 22:55:34 JST Martijn Frazer

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     • Sylvhem

     @HauntedOwlbear @Sylvhem I'm happy to teach you if you want me to.

     CSS can be a lot of fun!