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   Steve Syfuhs (stevesyfuhs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 04:50:00 JST Steve Syfuhs

   • Kevin Beaumont

   @GossiTheDog it's a little more complicated than that. In some ways it was a lot better than the things you heard. In some ways it was a lot dumber than the things you heard. Regardless, the shipping version has much better security controls in place and folks are being more mindful of how this can go poorly.

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     Steve Syfuhs (stevesyfuhs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 05:02:02 JST Steve Syfuhs

     • Kevin Beaumont

     @GossiTheDog *had*. Operative word. Leaked states of things are a poor substitute for shipping features. All I'm saying is complaining about a car not having air bags while it's still on the assembly line isn't necessarily productive.

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     Steve Syfuhs (stevesyfuhs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 05:29:58 JST Steve Syfuhs

     • Kevin Beaumont

     @GossiTheDog yes, and you made an impact in how things happen internally. I'm not denying that. My point is that we listened, and jumping to conclusions about how this behaves after doing a ton of work based on the things you raised, without seeing what changed does not help. If it's a pile of crap after you've had a chance to see the new security work then yeah, I'll eat my words.