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   mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 13:50:33 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGRTFgLFGv8
   Pretty much.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 13:50:33 JST iced depresso

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     @mangeurdenuage its hard to observe issues that aren't happening.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 14:15:50 JST iced depresso

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     @mangeurdenuage i mean thats a lot of words but i also see similar stuff happen elsewhere.
     
     its kind of like the quip "if a man does the chores and a woman isn't there to see it"
     
     it deal with that a lot domestically. doing stuff around the house but people don't want to recognize it as anything, you don't really notice that a floor just doesn't get dusty.
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 14:15:51 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @icedquinn It's more vicious than that imo. As computer affects the mind, meaning it's indirect on the population group in it's effects, most of the population aren't aware of them. They'll only have the possibility to understand those effect when the harm will become so great that it will hurt them enough, but they still have to find the source which is not practical.
     A typical example of that is someone who blames a gnu/linux distro for not working with their hardware or software which is designed for windows only software.
     They don't realize it's literally the hardware and software manufacturer that fucked them by not making their stuff interoperable with public licensed software.
     And I believe the reason for that sort of interpretation is notably because of branding aside tech illiteracy. But there's more I think.
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 14:21:41 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @icedquinn
     >oing stuff around the house but people don't want to recognize it as anything
     I know that feeling. As an ex slave, I suggest the moment you can to get out of that situation.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 14:21:41 JST iced depresso

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     @mangeurdenuage i didn't mean in a pity party fashion. i just meant the job of IT is very similar to other scenes i've seen where you only observe the failures so the successful work gets no credit.
     
     it's not even a microsoft vs linux thing, it's one of many labors where success is just.. thoughtlessly invisible
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 14:29:51 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @icedquinn I understand now. Agriculture is also part of these many many essential jobs. but tech is a bit special as people will say "I don't need it " and when they don't have it they'll rage.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 14:30:37 JST iced depresso

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     @mangeurdenuage the whole cost center rhetoric is weird because management has decided they want all IT outsourced even though it costs more money to do that shit than it does to rack your own servers :gutkato_konfuzita:
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 14:39:12 JST iced depresso

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     @hazlin @mangeurdenuage i'm not sure about warranties ever since i had to spend a month harassing akai to honor theirs and they took a month to furnish a working MPC.
     
     if i were a paid professional being out an instrument for a month vs. if you bought it half off used you could have just bought two and still had the spare while waiting for a replacement...
     
     i buy stuff used less nowadays though. depends how big the gap is. 5-10% isn't enough to give up clean returns and servicing but 50% is convincing
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     hazlin no plap pirate (hazlin@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 14:39:13 JST hazlin no plap pirate

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     @icedquinn @mangeurdenuage
     Where I worked, it was always couched in terms of risk management. I knew several people who really thought it was a good idea to spend 10x on a device, to get it with "support" and a good warranty.
     
     They applied the same logic to IT projects, and dev work. They seemed to almost always lead to failure. But! the people who did such things were just promoted to better things xD It was indeed safer for a subcontracted project to fail, than to risk doing it in house... and least for the person's career.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 14:40:07 JST 翠星石

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     @mangeurdenuage >even tho they generated more carbon via truck subcontracting
     No carbon is generated - only carbon dioxide (CO₂) is.
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 14:40:08 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @icedquinn
     >they want all IT outsourced even though it costs more money to do that shit
     That's because they think short them and not long term. Their own reports are short term and they believe that funding the outsourced people will make them better for the same price over time.
     What they ignore is that the outsourced people who make, better quality, nor they may take into account technical debt.
     The multiplication cost is ludicrous but it doesn't appear in their reports so :shrugz: not my problem.
     
     Another analogy for this is for example the french railway who doesn't use their own train to transport train parts for repairs, and instead subcontractor parts transportation to trucks companies because that way the carbon impact doesn't go in their statistics. Thus they get tax discounts that way, even tho they generated more carbon via truck subcontracting, and I'm not even speaking of all the issues that brings, between missing parts, logistic failure etc... it makes their whole operating cost go boooom.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 14:41:29 JST iced depresso

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     @mangeurdenuage i'm not sure how that works out. rackspace is more expensive than staff+metal.
     
     there are externalities to these calculations that might be at play though.
     
     a recent essay i read talked about some finance firms have escaped being sabotaged with DIE policies because they keep their firm below some employment cutoffs. so long as they have <15-20 people they aren't subject to needing diversity hires.
     
     assuming this was true, it would be an impetus for outsourcing as much as possible so your core team can remain staffed with competent people
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 14:43:15 JST iced depresso

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     @mangeurdenuage the article was mentioning small firms dodge the pressure by being too small to be forced to do any of it, and some of the larger firms create containment positions (but are ultimately wasting money hiring unwanted, unqualified people, just to make larry fink happy), as well as some other stuff like obamacare and others being tied to head count.
     
     there are laws that basically make owning bigger companies progressively more expensive.
     
     i suspect *that* is where the push to kick everyone out is, and overpaying IT contractors to dodge a tax bracket can be worth it to the C-levels.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 14:52:06 JST iced depresso

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     • hazlin no plap pirate
     @skylar @mangeurdenuage @hazlin that's consumer support. corp support is a whole different (and much more expensive) beast
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     skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 14:52:07 JST skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:

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     @hazlin @icedquinn @mangeurdenuage "we need to buy the thing with support" -director who hasn't had to talk to support or get something fixed under warranty for the past 20 years
     
     their feeble brain cannot comprehend that the thing is still going to be broken in 3 months, no matter how much they cry and shriek and stamp their feet about how BUSINESS CRITICAL it is, and all support has ever done is respond to the ticket HELLO SIR KINDLY DO THE NEEDFUL AND UPLOAD THE LATEST LOG FILE TO THE TICKET and repeatedly link the same completely worthless knowledge base article.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 15:00:59 JST iced depresso

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     • hazlin no plap pirate
     @skylar @mangeurdenuage @hazlin i've got the stories from the people who did have the TraumaTeam Platinum card and they had personal concierge numbers.
     
     corp support ain't the same thing as the indian call center.
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     skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 15:01:01 JST skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:

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     • hazlin no plap pirate
     @icedquinn @mangeurdenuage @hazlin (it isn't)
     
     you spend less than $100 million a year with us? you have less than 100k licensed seats? you're not one of our top 50 customers? you can fuck off and die in a hole somewhere
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 15:12:58 JST iced depresso

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     • hazlin no plap pirate
     @skylar @mangeurdenuage @hazlin they still had it after the merger but there were other problems overall.
     
     there is definitely a push to outsource all IT and its weird because they say its for $$ but the math doesn't add up. it has to be some bizzare externality (like the aforementioned government rules based on head count, which makes individual hirings have nonlinear value)
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     skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Sunday, 08-Sep-2024 15:12:59 JST skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:

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     • hazlin no plap pirate
     @icedquinn @mangeurdenuage @hazlin that must be getting rarer and rarer, as everyone keeps getting bought out and everyone's fancy pants enterprise support keeps getting cut and redirected to the indian call center