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   Jürgen Hubert (juergen_hubert@thefolklore.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 20:57:57 JST Jürgen Hubert

   Regarding #Brazil banning #X :

   After the disaster of the Weimar Republic, the Federal Republic of #Germany came up with the concept of the "Wehrhafte Demokratie" - a "democracy that can defend itself". Fundamental to this concept is that people, groups, and organizations who want to overthrow the basic democratic order should _not_ get a "level playing field".

   So while I can understand people worried about any kind of #censorship , I think by this standard this action is justifiable. Brazil went through an attempted coup, and X - and Elon #Musk - were instrumental in aiding the coupists.

   And by now Elon Musk has established a clear pattern of "wanting to overthrow the democratic order" - _any_ democratic order. Thus, it is valid if Brazil wants to restrict his speech.

   I see this as part of the "Paradox of Tolerance" - tolerating the intolerant will result in less tolerance. And tolerance, like freedom of speech, are social contracts. If you break the social contract - as Elon Musk has - then there should be consequences.

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     Pancho (pancho@bolha.one)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 21:57:02 JST Pancho

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     @juergen_hubert the reason X is banned rn here in Brazil, is BC Musk fired all the Brazilian staff in hopes that X could operate above our legal system. But in Brazil any foreign business NEED to have a Brazilian legal representative to operate legally. That means that if he had appointed someone by now, the ban wouldn't be necessary, and X will probably be up an running again as soon as he do it.

     Please don't paint this whole deal to look like as if it was about "censorship". This is a case of national souvereignty. Foreign corporations that desire to operate in our territory need to respect the same laws as everyone else here, and that includes being responsible for what happens in that particular social network.

     Telegram, WhatsApp and others tried the same in the past, but they did not went that far as Musk, because he is trying to use this case as marketing for his own gain.

     Please don't do his job for him.