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   Rebecca (iarna@anarchism.space)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Nov-2022 08:47:36 JST Rebecca

   A discussion about distributed federated systems else-network did bring up some concerning history that we should keep in mind:

   #XMPP was, briefly, the dominant messaging system on the Internet. It was fully federated allowing hosting anywhere. Major extensions were being done by major companies (Apple adding voice and video for example). And it all fell apart because the three big providers (Apple, Google, Facebook) ditched it to have more control.

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     Rebecca (iarna@anarchism.space)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Nov-2022 08:47:34 JST Rebecca

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     So if a major company does end up adding support for ActivityPub or other fediverse features I would be very hesitant about actually federating with them. As long as they DO connect to the larger network they'll siphon off the user base, and we KNOW that they will turn on it. Corps cannot make promises, cannot be trustworthy, cannot guarantee they won't betray principles. They are structurally incapable of it, no matter what their humans say.

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     Debacle (debacle@framapiaf.org)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Nov-2022 18:31:33 JST Debacle

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     • MrClon

     @MrClon @iarna

     It's not (yet) dead! We even will have #Jabber #XMPP hack night today:

     https://mov.im/?node/pubsub.movim.eu/berlin-xmpp-meetup/ab62371c-c50f-43b0-826e-7d7027f64750

     All federated protocols suffer from fragmentation issues. Even email. E.g. my mail client doesn't support HTML emails, Other clients do not OpenPGP.

     XMPP has at least feature discovery ("disco"), e.g. my client can see, if your client does support A/V call. If not, it won't show the phone receiver symbol.

     (Tonight I will hack on either #sms4you or on #libervia Debian packaging.)

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     MrClon (mrclon@lor.sh)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Nov-2022 18:31:34 JST MrClon

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     @iarna as i remember XMPP die because of bad UX. Protocol had many extensions supported by _some_ clients and _some_ servers. So you cant say «XMPP support feature X», only «Clients A and B on servers C and D support feature X»