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   Crispy Branzino (nimbius666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 12:10:30 JST Crispy Branzino
   Its official, NASA just stated their abandoned astronauts will return on a spaceX crew 9.
   
   Worth mentioning this doesn't happen to taikonauts in China. Long march doesn't just spectacularly stop working and strand them in space.
   
   Also worth mentioning the US has killed more astronauts in its space program than china has.
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     Crispy Branzino (nimbius666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 12:10:27 JST Crispy Branzino

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     • kline 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
     @kline the bigger issue is the death of Boeing.
     
     This is Americas *only* commercial entry of worth in modern international aerospace. It was a projection of soft power in itself for sixty years or more. Now its virtually blacklisted from international buyers and in the next six or seven years comac is going to eat it alive. Airbus is not only a superior product but has been for decades as well.
     
     The US can't punish or reform Boeing meaningfully. The culture is rotten to the core and theres no incentive to comply.
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     kline 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 (kline@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 12:10:29 JST kline 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

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     @Nimbius666 The spacex/boeing commercial pressures are of course exceptionally unsuited to safe development, and historical (space race era) safety also sucked, again because there were adverse incentives, but I don't know that CMS has some unique edge.

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     • kline 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
     @kline I would argue the PRC and china manned space program had nothing of real value to learn from US accidents other than the culture of budget cuts at NASA directly contributed to both Columbia and challenger.
     
     Remember, the soviet union during the space race basically wrote the book on stellar travel. They had the first satellite and first man in space, as well as the first rovers and probes decades before the US.
     
     When the PRC learned, it was likely from Russia, but their present achievements like longmarch and tianhe are miles from where the soviets left off. Most of the modules in the Chinese space station are wireless, for example. The robot arms can also detatch and crawl the length and diameter of the station autonomously. The solar panels are a level of sophistication that cannot be achieved in the west.
     
     Regardless, when youre scrambling for propaganda to cover up stranding astronauts for months, youre not really maintaining a space program. Compared to china You're outsourcing a catastrophe to the highest bidder. Even the Russian ms22 mission to rescue their stranded cosmonauts concluded with the same class of vehicle.
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     kline 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 (kline@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Sunday, 25-Aug-2024 12:10:30 JST kline 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

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     @Nimbius666 I don't want to cheerlead for NASA (def not Boeing/SpaceX who exceptionally suck), every US astronaut death happened before the CMS flew people.

     If you only count the time when both the CMS & NASA have been operating, neither have lost any people.

     CMS has benefited from lessons from US and Russian/Soviet deaths. If the CMS had to learn these lessons from scratch they likely would have lost people. And apples to apples, all three are running 0 deaths in the time they've all existed.

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