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   • Arcana
   @arcana the conventional view in psychiatry is that they're opposite and exclusionary but I'm not sure if I agree with that. I will say though that it's also weirdly common to confuse the two because they have a lot of overlap.
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     As an autistic person, who heard voices before, I have to say, that it has to be the dumbest psycho theory I've ever heard.

     And I heard about tabula rasa.

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     • Arcana
     @LukeAlmighty @arcana psychiatry is all bullshit honestly. it's pseudoscientific and a tool of control.
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     @nyx @arcana
     I think it has potential, but it is full of liberal women, who do not know a difference between projection and listening.

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     • Arcana
     @unmind @arcana yeah I mean this comes with the usual caveat that as a schizo Deleuzian I very much don't think psychiatry is valid at all but that being said I wasn't aware that researchers were starting to reevaluate that view. but I also have some opinions about this because I had people telling me for the longest time that I was an autist and I think a lot of that was just because of the overlap in symptoms that I mentioned where unless someone is a really low-functioning schizo or autist, people will just go with autism because it's less stigmatized. this is evidenced by how as you correctly said, autism and schizophrenia used to be considered the same thing until autism was separated off into its own thing, which imo is entirely because autism has the potential to be more useful to modern civilization than schizophrenia.
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     @nyx @arcana but then again autism used to be considered a variety of schizophrenia back when the concept of schizophrenia was first emerging in their field
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     @nyx @arcana that's been the historical view but i think it's being challenged among research psychologists. it's still being taught like their opposites in undergrad classes i would imagine, although the last psych major i was friends with was in undergrad 7-8 years ago so
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     @unmind I'm not interested in participating in another arcana hellthread but anyways I think that D&G are actually even more applicable to modern psychology than they are to psychoanalysis. like, they were critical of how it was being used (especially Lacanian psych) but Guattari was himself a psychoanalyst who did some of the most interesting work I'm aware of in that field when he was at La Borde. to me that + Deleuze's essay "Postscript on the Societies of Control" are kind of the key to understanding what their broad critiques are, because schizoanalysis as I've always understood it is meant to be thinking *with* the periphery (the schizophrenic) rather than forcing them into an economy of signs where everything is judged according to negation (its degree of resemblance to the Same). there's a very clear line imo from this to modern psychology where the neurodivergent aren't just locked up anymore but rather they're made to consent and assent to that economy of signs where their own thinking is varying degrees of removed from """reality""" and to me the core of what is being critiqued in C&S at least as far as psychiatry goes is the evolution of disciplinary societies into societies of control and how they are creating a civilization that is even more neurotic and willing to accept fascism. in the current year with how much we've seen a push towards normalizing mental health stuff (but only the ones that aren't scary like schizophrenia!) and how this has pretty much become a secular version of Christian morality, I think their ideas have only become more applicable and that psychoanalysis is actually less worthy of criticism in comparison.
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     @nyx @arcana does deleuze's critique of psychoanalysis really challenge the current prevailing schema of psychology though? i mean obviously historically it works challenging the foundation of modern psychology, but they really have moved past psychoanalysis for the most part, or at least they're slowly moving past it. not that i think personally think it's legitimate either but i always felt like i had that problem reading c&s
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     @nyx nice ok thank you for explaining that. i agree with you on all of it. i think i just got hung up on how specific their appropriation of psychoanalytic terminology was in anti-oedipus was, but like the only comparable analogy i can make is how economics as a field has changed terminology and its approach but is still subject to the critique that marx made for being basically nonsense
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