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    🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jul-2024 14:16:56 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

    I wonder how many vegans are agaisnt abortion after 1 month on the grounds it has a brain (granted not to the level of sophistication of an adult human)... I also wonder how they could possibly reconcile that with their vegan position.

    As a side note prior to 1 month the fetus has no neurons, so i can see an abortion as "vegan" prior to 1 month. But an abortion after one month i cant see any way to justify that as compatible with veganism.

    Please feel free to share your thoughts if you wish.

    #vegan #abortion #prolife #prochoice

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      Louis Ingenthron (louis@ingenthron.social)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jul-2024 14:25:50 JST Louis Ingenthron Louis Ingenthron
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      @freemo Well, you're describing only one motivation of many for veganism, but for that particular motivation, I'd generally agree.

      That said, making the personal choice to abstain may not necessarily translate into wanting to impose that decision on others... i.e. someone can simultaneously be both pro-choice and decide that an abortion would never be morally appropriate for themselves.

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      🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jul-2024 14:25:56 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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      • Louis Ingenthron

      @louis All reasonable points. I do assume we are talking about ethical vegans opposed to killing and not health vegans or best-for-society vegans (econology).

      And yea, I could also see consistent logic in being vegan and not being willing to have an abortion yourself but also wanting it to be legal for others. That said if a vegan took that stance of abstain-but-legal to truely be consistent they would have to also they they feel the sale of meat should remain legal and would oppose any effort to outlaw meat on ethical grounds.

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      robryk@qoto.org's status on Wednesday, 31-Jul-2024 17:25:07 JST robryk robryk
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      @freemo

      Do you know of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexitarianism? I feel that the wiki article fails to describe a variant where the choice depends mostly on cost/level of incovenience caused by not relying on animals. That is an approach that I mostly have, my threshold of inconvenience above which I ignore is pretty low, and yet I eat mostly vegan due to the power of defaults.

      The reason I mention this is that I imagine a person with a similar approach to mine, but slightly better organized and with a slightly higher threshold would eat basically only vegan food[1], but their approach to abortion would be basically unaffected.

      [1] I specifically mention only food, because the levels of inconvenience caused by e.g. having to find an alternative to leather hiking boots or woolen shirts are very person-dependent.

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        Flexitarianism
        A flexitarian diet, also called a semi-vegetarian diet, is one that is centered on plant foods with limited or occasional inclusion of meat. For example, a flexitarian might eat meat only some days each week. Flexitarian is a portmanteau of the words flexible and vegetarian, signifying its followers' less strict diet pattern when compared to vegetarian pattern diets. Definitions Different definitions of flexitarianism are used. According to the Dutch environmental organisation Natuur & Milieu, a flexitarian eats no meat, fish or lunch meat for at least one day a week. The Dutch research agency I&O Research calls people flexitarian when they do not eat meat one or more days a week. The Dutch Food Health authority Voedingscentrum states that flexitarians do not eat meat (but do eat fish) three or more days a week in between or with a hot meal. Vegetarianism is the strict practice of abstaining from consuming meat or any other animal tissue. Flexitarianism is a neoteric term that gained a considerable increase in usage in both science and public...

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