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   jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 17:36:13 JST jesu

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   hey @lain could pleroma have like an "account timeout" where accounts that haven't logged on in some specified time will stop fetching posts for the accounts they follow? the reason I ask is basically my experience with an instance that used to be big but currently only has 5-10 active users a month: the instance is buggy, slow, big db, 500s, missing posts, etc. and I think it's mainly because there are 1000 user accounts, but it's a massive waste of resources because it's like those 990+ accounts haven't ever left... the accounts are still active fetching tons of posts, and those bloat the DB, increase DB response times, slow the mediaproxy down, and all of this causes problems doing routine things like performing activities (any) and even refreshing the page. the admin recently had to double their hardware specs just to keep up...
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 17:36:11 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @jesu messages aren't pushed, not fetched. has the admin of that server optimized the postgres configuration?
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     racist teto (teto@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:03 JST racist teto

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     @jesu the thing you just said? We have a word for that in german. It's thethingyoujustsaiden.
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     racist teto (teto@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:05 JST racist teto

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     @jesu ah okay so just an internal thing, makes sense for server load
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     jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:05 JST jesu

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     • racist teto
     @teto sorry, many words confuze when few gooder
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     jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:07 JST jesu

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     • racist teto
     @teto I'm sorry, I'm just getting frustrated and had a weird day, I don't know how to explain it. I'm not referring to the old inactive account's posts being fetched, I mean they're the ones receiving new posts and they haven't logged in for 8 months or whatever
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     racist teto (teto@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:08 JST racist teto

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     @jesu yeah im just dumb youre right
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     jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:08 JST jesu

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     • racist teto
     @teto you're not dumb I just bet you're skimming
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     jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:10 JST jesu

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     • racist teto
     @teto if you didn't understand my OP the network effects are probably too much for you
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     jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:10 JST jesu

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     • racist teto
     @teto and you're still not understanding my second explanation, so I'm unsure if I should even keep replying
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     racist teto (teto@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:11 JST racist teto

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @jesu @lain when someone on a different server access notes from a dead account it gets pulled. You cant change that without breaking the fediverse
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     jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:12 JST jesu

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     • racist teto
     @teto @lain
     
     let's look at it this way, let's say you and I are the only people active on a server, and 100 other accounts are on that server. What happens is those 100 inactive accounts eat up resources for someone who is not even there. It fills up the db, it wastes cpu time and ram, it wastes storage, it clogs the media proxy, etc., it slows down the instance.
     
     What I wish would happen is those 100 accounts would not be doing any of that.... so that the active resource usage is lower. this would make it cheaper to run an instance, it would also make running an instance long-term more feasible (12 months or more), and it would also keep resource usage down network-wide.
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     racist teto (teto@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:14 JST racist teto

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @jesu @lain well an additional setting could be "do not send notes older than x days" but the nature of the fediverse would mean this is always up to the admin of that instance
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     jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:14 JST jesu

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     • racist teto
     @teto @lain you're misunderstanding again
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     racist teto (teto@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:15 JST racist teto

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     • racist teto
     @jesu @lain but what I implied would sort of do it automatically, dropping notes when they come in
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     jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:15 JST jesu

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     • racist teto
     @teto @lain it's still going to eat a minute amount of resources, plus the opposite end, the sending server, it has no idea so that's wasted resources there
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     racist teto (teto@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:16 JST racist teto

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @jesu @lain then just do that?
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     racist teto (teto@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:17 JST racist teto

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @jesu @lain imo pleroma having an auto-ignore or delete function that runs for any "note" older than x amount of days would be beneficial in general. Not like I know anything about hosting pleroma or anything like that hehe
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     jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:17 JST jesu

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     • racist teto
     @teto @lain this exists, "purge remote posts" and the amount of days is configurable
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     jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:08:19 JST jesu

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain I bet a lot of instances could benefit from this, at least if the idea of fedi here is ephemerality
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:10:34 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @jesu i really doubt that a too busy server or a too full db is really the issue. i run the oldest pleroma server (pleroma.soykaf.com) on modest hardware, and a lot of activities come in. lain.com is on a small system, too. please check if the db settings have been changed, the default db config is the number one reason why instances become slow.
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     jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:10:36 JST jesu

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain could you "tell" the other server that the account is temporarily deactivated?
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     jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:10:37 JST jesu

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain yes, I see... this makes it complicated
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     jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:10:38 JST jesu

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain I think so, yes... hmm... then it would go the *other* way around, don't send statuses to an inactive account, but we don't control other servers... hmm....
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     jesu (jesu@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 18:32:13 JST jesu

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain I heard the admin bugged the instance to make undesirables go away, maybe that was it. Thank you for considering my sudden proposal
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