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   Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 12:15:21 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
   https://www.prisonexp.org/the-story
   
   #wtfhappenedin1971
   
   the stanford prison experiment
   
   Which that had to be cancelled halfway through, because it went way too far
   
   it was one of the experiments that justified regulations on informed consent in research subjects
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 12:15:17 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     So let's prolong their suffering by putting them in a cage for life, amirite? I mean a life time of torture is better than death.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 12:15:18 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     > The jews want to abolish the death penalty everywhere so that they will never be held accountable for their crimes
     
     This is an incredibly bad faith interpretation of why people you have never met would believe this. It could also be *because it's barbaric* and that innocent human beings often get caught up and murdered by the state.
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     VIc FooReeee (vicfury@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 12:15:19 JST VIc FooReeee

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     @jeffcliff how's that worked out? I mean scientifically speaking, how has not killing all of X criminals benefited anyone who matters? The last 50 years since has shown the exact opisit of the desired social affect. removing the most violent from society has always produced positive results for the average person.

     https://odysee.com/@NationalistContent:0/The-European-Revolution:a

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     @VIcFury @jeffcliff It has nothing to do with human rights. The jews want to abolish the death penalty everywhere so that they will never be held accountable for their crimes. I've known this for forty years, except that I didn't know it was mainly being done for their benefit.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 12:15:20 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     @VIcFury this is true, and there's been attempted replications since, though the data is a mess
     
     imho it's not so much that the experiment's results were or were not valid, were or were not true - you're certainly right that this particular experiments data wasn't super useful for that due to systematic issues
     
     but that this study represented part of a larger attempt to grapple with what exactly does authority do to people/how can we organize a society without the kind of cruelty that authority and especially prisons represent. And whether or not anything can be done about organized urban living at the scale of the USSR, say.
     
     Especially considering some of the other things happening around this time - the beginning of nixon's war on some drugs (which increased the number of imprisoned people in the US substantially) -- it was at least an early step in attempting to come up with a better answer than "just kill all the people guilty of $X_CRIME" and whatnot.
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     VIc FooReeee (vicfury@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 12:15:21 JST VIc FooReeee

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     @jeffcliff (Update: Since this article published, the journal American Psychologist has published a thorough debunking of the Stanford Prison Experiment that goes beyond what Blum found in his piece. There’s even more evidence that the “guards” knew the results that Zimbardo wanted to produce, and were trained to meet his goals. It also provides evidence that the conclusions of the experiment were predetermined.)

     https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication

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     Battered women often don't complain either. Stockholm syndrome.
     
     I also don't hear dead inmates complaining about the death penalty. That disproves your point. 😒
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 12:20:28 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     @Humpleupagus @LudditeMan @VIcFury Obviously otherwise we'd have a lot more lifers in canada going on MAID and no one is complaining of this
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     • Salty Ocean Freedom
     And what dimension is that?
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     Salty Ocean Freedom (diceynes@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 12:22:11 JST Salty Ocean Freedom

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     @Humpleupagus @LudditeMan @VIcFury @jeffcliff I think they would complain if we could talk with the dimension they are in.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 15:56:33 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     I'm sorry. I wasn't paying attention.
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     Salty Ocean Freedom (diceynes@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 01-Jul-2024 15:56:34 JST Salty Ocean Freedom

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     @Humpleupagus @LudditeMan @VIcFury @jeffcliff I found this funny guess I am the only one
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     @Humpleupagus @LudditeMan @VIcFury @jeffcliff I am not sure I never died
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     • Salty Ocean Freedom
     @Humpleupagus @LudditeMan @VIcFury @jeffcliff but from various American TV shows it's probably "the 4th dimension: