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   Christopher M0YNG (m0yng@mastodon.radio)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jun-2024 09:12:52 JST Christopher M0YNG

   FT8 is a "weak signal" mode.
   But often confused for a "low power" mode.

   I was running between 20 and 40 watts at the radio this afternoon (and still not always being heard!)

   I wonder what power you use for #FT8 #FT4 and similar?

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     James Morris (jmorris@social.kernel.org)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jun-2024 09:12:45 JST James Morris

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     • Neil G4DBN
     @g4dbn @M0YNG something that surprised me is people running FT8 at 700W on HF. Weak signal HF to me was always 5-10W.
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     Neil G4DBN (g4dbn@mastodon.radio)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jun-2024 09:12:47 JST Neil G4DBN

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     @M0YNG It's very basic stuff, but I still see folks who don't have a clue why they are sending multiple copies of their FT8 tones at 2/3/4 times the correct spacing because they haven't enabled split or fake and they are transmitting ludicrously high levels into a terrible audio transmit chain at less than half the audio bandwidth. I also see start-up splats where some n00b is using ALC to set the transmit level, when there's a flippin slider on the actual WSJT-X page to set the level. Sheesh.

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     Neil G4DBN (g4dbn@mastodon.radio)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jun-2024 09:12:48 JST Neil G4DBN

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     @M0YNG If your radio can't even support Fake-it, then either never operate with a tone less than 1500 Hz or get a radio that can do split or Fake-it. Make sure your radio has linear phase response to at least the maximum tone you intend transmitting, and that the amplitude response doesn't fall off a cliff anywhere, so you get imbalances between tones.

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     Neil G4DBN (g4dbn@mastodon.radio)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jun-2024 09:12:50 JST Neil G4DBN

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     @M0YNG ...turn the power slider up until you reach the output level you want to achieve. Make sure that if you back off by 3dB that the PA output drops 2-3dB. If not, get a bigger PA or use less power. 1dB compression isn't going to ruin the inter-tone slides.

     Make sure you have Fake-It or real split working enabled so you never transmit tones that are less than 1500 Hz, so even if your TX audio chain is truly terrible, you won't transmit in-band audio harmonics.

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     Neil G4DBN (g4dbn@mastodon.radio)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jun-2024 09:12:51 JST Neil G4DBN

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     @M0YNG FT8 start/stop envelope shaping and the Gaussian slides between tones have all but eliminated the old switching transient wideband splats, but I find it extraordinary that ops still don't have a clue about how to set levels. It ain't rocket science. Turn off any audio gain control, compression or processing. Cut any ALC connection to amplifiers. Switch it off. Disable it. Woteva. Monitor your TX power. Turn the FT8 power slider in WSJT-X down very low. Next, (1/3)

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     Neil G4DBN (g4dbn@mastodon.radio)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 04:30:29 JST Neil G4DBN

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     @jmorris @M0YNG Trying to work the USA in full daylight, several hours after UK sunrise on 160 metres might need full-fat QRO, as might trying to work Alaska during a large aurora. I'm not one of the committed hair-shirt QRP brigade, despite being introduced to ham radio by the late George Dobbs, G3RJV, who was a visiting reverend at my secondary school. I just enjoy using efficient radios that are the right size for the particular application. Microwatts to kilowatt as appropriate

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     Neil G4DBN (g4dbn@mastodon.radio)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 04:30:31 JST Neil G4DBN

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     • James Morris

     @jmorris @M0YNG There's a competitive streak in some folks that means they just HAVE to be the loudest and the first to get a contact with $rare_entity. If they get a -18 report from the other station, then that power level is entirely justifiable, but if they are a lot louder than that, then it's a bit embarrassing, showing off for effect, "Look how loud I am". Yeah, slightly ewwww, like those folks who drive supercars in town. Hubris on steroids. Yuck.

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     hackbyte (hackbyte@friendica.utzer.de)'s status on Friday, 05-Jul-2024 00:54:39 JST hackbyte

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     • Neil G4DBN
     @g4dbn @jmorris @M0YNG Well, one can't deny that it is nice to get at least a report on pskreporter at times. Just for shits&giggles... One doesn't need to output full power at all times for that. ;)
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