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   wet forest moon folklorist (seachanger@alaskan.social)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 12:28:15 JST wet forest moon folklorist

   ever think about how we’re the last apes to live in a world ruled by aspirational democracies in a climate favorable for our species survival

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     Rimu (rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 12:28:14 JST Rimu

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     @seachanger Yes, I'm reading a mind-blowing book that goes into a LOT of depth on what climate change might do to democracy.

     "Climate Levathian", if you want to look it up.

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     Rimu (rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 12:42:00 JST Rimu

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     @seachanger Yup that is one of the 4 alternatives the book explores (probably the most likely one).

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     wet forest moon folklorist (seachanger@alaskan.social)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 12:42:01 JST wet forest moon folklorist

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     @rimu yep, this seems right. we’re headed for actual post-governmental, militarized capitalism. Sigh

     “Joel Wainwright and Geoff Mann argue that rapid climate change will transform the world's political economy and the fundamental political arrangements most people take for granted. The result will be a capitalist planetary sovereignty, a terrifying eventuality that makes the construction of viable, radical alternatives truly imperative.”

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     wet forest moon folklorist (seachanger@alaskan.social)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 12:42:02 JST wet forest moon folklorist

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     @rimu I’ll look it up!

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     Rimu (rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 12:56:29 JST Rimu

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     @seachanger The hard part of "capitalist planetary sovereignty" is the "planetary" bit. Basically nation-states would be agreeing to give up some sovereignty to a UN-like structure. It's not a given that they will succeed at that, look at the useless COP process.

     2 other alternatives the author calls "Climate Mao" & "Climate Bohemoth" which are *not great* either. There is a fourth which so far the author is being coy about (I'm less than halfway through).

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     wet forest moon folklorist (seachanger@alaskan.social)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 12:56:30 JST wet forest moon folklorist

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     @rimu following the current trend lines, it’s hard to imagine a series of events that could alter the history and scope of that momentum, but I’m interested in what else they can imagine!