i wonder if Israelis care that their reputation as a country is permanently tarnished. I mean, I will never buy, sell or work with anyone or any service from that country. I'll never trust anything they have to say or vote for people that support them if there is literally any other acceptable option.
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Dan Morris (coldfish@sfba.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-May-2024 12:00:06 JST Dan Morris
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Phil in SF (kingrat@sfba.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-May-2024 12:00:05 JST Phil in SF
@coldfish countries that have done far worse have recovered their reputations. i suspect people in Israel figure whatever anger they get will blow over. maybe it sticks this time, but it usually doesn't.
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Dan Morris (coldfish@sfba.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-May-2024 04:50:23 JST Dan Morris
@kingrat That's true enough. I think, however, I can't even imagine how much they will be hated by the Palestinian people that survive. If someone killed my family, I think I'd be so angry I'd be working the rest of my life to execute overwhelming vengeance.
What's really amazing is that this is a SMALL nation. This is like if we decided to fence off Daly City and then bomb it and send soldiers in to finish off anyone left. This isn't like Nazis shipping off jews and people just thinking they were being relocated, this is right in their face..... and the vast majority of Israelis are OK with it.
I just can't imagine being ok with it, and I can't imagine that they're not thinking, "these people will spend the rest of their lives exacting vengeance upon me and my own family. We will never, ever, ever be safe again. ever."
The ONLY possible thought they can be having: "We need to get ALL of them, so we can avoid thousands of people seeking vengeance"
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Phil in SF (kingrat@sfba.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-May-2024 05:24:16 JST Phil in SF
It'll take generations for Gazans to not be angry. I mean, they're still angry about the Nakba, so I can't imagine this will fade any faster.
For the record, I wasn't thinking so much of Nazis when I was talking about nations that have done worse. I'm thinking about incidents like Serbia and Srebrenica and the Rwandan Tutsi genocide. Neither Serbia nor Rwanda are international pariahs at the moment, though they were 25 years ago. Not everyone has welcomed those countries back to the international community with open arms. Not everyone forgives & forgets. But by and large the world just marks those as incidents in the past, and Israel may expect that.
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Dan Morris (coldfish@sfba.social)'s status on Wednesday, 15-May-2024 07:00:46 JST Dan Morris
@kingrat I think every man woman and child in Gaza would fell justified in making any violent attack on Israel, and I think Israel will do what they did this time, come back 10000x more ruthlessly.
I don't see any way for this to become anything but an increasingly violent cycle until every single Gazan is dead - and I am pretty sure that's the Israeli government's position. I literally think they've decided that a nice genocide will fix everything.
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