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   Team KeePassXC (keepassxc@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 11-May-2024 00:19:57 JST Team KeePassXC

   Debian Users - Be aware the maintainer of the KeePassXC package for Debian has unilaterally decided to remove ALL features from it. You will need to switch to `keepassxc-full` to maintain capabilities once this lands outside of testing/sid.

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     Julian Andres Klode 🏳️‍🌈 (juliank@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 16-May-2024 00:57:00 JST Julian Andres Klode 🏳️‍🌈

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     • tuxwise
     • Angelino Desmet.

     @stardust @tuxwise @keepassxc That's a misunderstanding, they should read the release notes when upgrading to the next release

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     Team KeePassXC (keepassxc@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 16-May-2024 00:57:00 JST Team KeePassXC

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     • Julian Andres Klode 🏳️‍🌈
     • Angelino Desmet.

     @juliank @stardust @tuxwise@tchncs.de I disagree with this statement on a fundamental level. If you see Debian as an expert tool for a very specific expert target group, then fine, whatever. But Debian is the base for a general-purpose operating system for millions of users with no technical background or simply no nerve and time to deal with things like this. You cannot and should not expect these users to know about any obscure text files, let alone read and understand the tech babble that's in them.

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     vv221 (vv221@fediverse.dotslashplay.it)'s status on Thursday, 16-May-2024 00:57:00 JST vv221

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     • Julian Andres Klode 🏳️‍🌈
     • Angelino Desmet.
     You cannot and should not expect these users to know about any obscure text files, let alone read and understand the tech babble that's in them.
     Debian NEWS files are nothing like full changelog. They only document major changes that happen when upgrading from a Debian stable release to the next one.
     
     The users do not have to hunt for this information, the content of the NEWS files is shown automatically during the upgrade.
     
     Since these are targeting end users, they usually do not include "tech babble".
     
     The only alternative to NEWS files that I can think of would be to never change anything from one Debian stable release to the next. Of course if Debian were to do that they would quickly lose all relevance as an operating system.
     
     CC: @juliank@mastodon.social @stardust@fosstodon.org
     
     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this.
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     Julian Andres Klode 🏳️‍🌈 (juliank@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 16-May-2024 00:57:01 JST Julian Andres Klode 🏳️‍🌈

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     • tuxwise

     @tuxwise @keepassxc why do you think it's rude and condescending?

     The first thing Debian users should be looking at when something changes unexpectedly is the /usr/share/doc/<package>/NEWS.Debian.gz

     That is the way breaking changes are communicated. Users of testing/unstable are expected to have apt-listchanges installed to see them automatically.

     Stable release users should read the release notes.

     People annoying upstream isn't something I can solve.

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     Angelino Desmet. (stardust@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 16-May-2024 00:57:01 JST Angelino Desmet.

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     • Julian Andres Klode 🏳️‍🌈
     • tuxwise

     “Stable release users should read the release notes.”

     No they shouldn't. That's exactly why they use stable: so things don't break unexpectedly and they can work on problems that they want/need to work on.

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     @juliank @tuxwise @keepassxc

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     tuxwise (tuxwise@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Thursday, 16-May-2024 00:57:03 JST tuxwise

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     • Julian Andres Klode 🏳️‍🌈

     @keepassxc An exceptionally bad decision to wreck a huge existing installation base, "because I can".

     The rude reply by @juliank is condescending, and far from what I am used to read.

     https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc/issues/10725#issuecomment-2104401817