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    BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Sunday, 05-May-2024 13:04:48 JST BeAware BeAware

    Finally sitting down to watch/listen to the podcast with Mike Mccue, CEO of Flipboard, and Ryan Barrett, creator of BridgyFed.

    This should be good!😁

    So cool to see the leaders in this space share info and help each other make this the best social media project it could be!

    Link: https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=TtVtQOHl9DY

    #Fedi #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #IceShrimp #FireFish #Misskey #Sharkey #Lemmy #Kbin #Mbin #NodeBB #GoToSocial #Meta #Threads #Nostr #BlueSky #BridgyFed #Momostr #Bridge #Flipboard

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      Building Bridges to the Fediverse, with Ryan Barrett
      The beauty of an open system is that anyone can build on top of it and try to make it a better place. In the fediverse, software engineer Ryan Barrett is one such developer. Ryan’s been building social network bridges and related tools for over 12 years, including Bridgy, which connects personal websites and blogs to centralized social networks, and Bridgy Fed, which connects them to the fediverse. He’s also a co-founder of Google AppEngine, which informed Google Cloud’s infrastructure, and has held engineering leadership roles at Google, Color and NCX. Most recently, Ryan’s work to connect Bluesky, which uses the AT protocol, to Mastodon and other platforms using the ActivityPub protocol ignited a firestorm. Ryan wanted to advance the fediverse’s promise of interoperability but he inadvertently stirred up culture clashes between platforms and fervent discussions around consent, maintaining safety, fears of commercialism, and what being an open standard really means. Highlights of this conversation include: 1:28 Ryan’s approach to bridging disparate social networks 6:30 Why he built Bridgy Fed; 2-way RSS “a breakthrough idea” 8:11 Reactions when he announced bridge to Bluesky 10:07 Ryan’s takeaways and debrief from the outcry 17:30 Managing expectations: instances, defaults, attack vectors 22:03 Reactions on Bluesky 23:30 Culture differences within the fediverse 25:29 What’s next with Bridgy Fed 30:05 Discoverable opt-in and exploration of different approaches 33:10 Thinking at a macro level: protecting ourselves while enabling global growth 43:17 What is motivating Ryan personally 45:43 How Flipboard is thinking about federation 58:52 Good things that came out of the backlash 🔎 You can follow Ryan at /snarfed.org. He’s also on Mastodon at @snarfed.org@snarfed.org and on Bluesky at @snarfed.org ✚ You can connect with Mike McCue on Mastodon at @mike@flipboard.social or at @mike@flipboard.com 💡 To learn more about what Flipboard's doing in the fediverse, sign up here: http://about.flipboard.com/a-new-wave 💰Mastodon is a non-profit that runs on donations from the community. You can help Mastodon succeed by supporting the organization via Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mastodon
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      BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Sunday, 05-May-2024 13:16:27 JST BeAware BeAware
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      Ryan made a pretty good point around the 16 minute mark about how Threads wasn't told to make their federation "opt-in" from the Fediverse side and that people feel differently about bridges for some reason.

      Even though, they're the same thing, in most ways.

      #Fedi #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #IceShrimp #FireFish #Misskey #Sharkey #Lemmy #Kbin #Mbin #NodeBB #GoToSocial #Meta #Threads #Nostr #BlueSky #BridgyFed #Momostr #Bridge #Flipboard

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      BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Sunday, 05-May-2024 13:27:23 JST BeAware BeAware
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      So, at the 29 minute mark, Ryan talks about how Mastodon's search discoverability feature is currently opt-in and there's only 5-6% of people currently opting-in. That's a wild statistic!😬

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      BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Sunday, 05-May-2024 13:38:03 JST BeAware BeAware
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      This video is SO good! Anyone who is interested in Fediverse nuances and the issues we've been debating for months now, should definitely watch this video!

      #Fedi #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #IceShrimp #FireFish #Misskey #Sharkey #Lemmy #Kbin #Mbin #NodeBB #GoToSocial #Meta #Threads #Nostr #BlueSky #BridgyFed #Momostr #Bridge #Flipboard

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      Charlie (cdp1337@social.veraciousnetwork.com)'s status on Sunday, 05-May-2024 14:20:37 JST Charlie Charlie
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      @BeAware Alright fine, I'll give it a watch while I work on this network diagnostic tool.

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      Charlie (cdp1337@social.veraciousnetwork.com)'s status on Sunday, 05-May-2024 15:23:51 JST Charlie Charlie

      @BeAware

      They were chatting about "quote posting", I have no idea WTF they're referring to. Is it using `> ` to create a blockquote in a message? I don't know... probably some twitter term hence why I wouldn't know it.

      They chat about the Bluesky bridge; I still fail to see why there's a bridge that's needed in the first place. They developed a social media platform with the intent to be federated; just use the already accepted standards instead of trying to reinvent it themselves. It's like Novell trying their hardest to push IPX when IP was already in place, then additional software translation needing to be built to support this arbitrary protocol.

      5% search selection sounds about right. Mastodon has a lot of work needed to improve the UX, this stat is indicative of that; most users don't even realize there's a "Settings" section of any of their accounts.

      37min: I'm sorry, I can't do long-form content on Mastodon? Have you SEEN some of my articles? Some of them are pretty damned lengthy! They're correct that it's server centric, but fail to go into the tidbit that it's open source, so the operator can choose to modify the software to allow for things like long-form content.

      39min: Eh? Wasn't the idea with Threads and Bluesky to be federated platforms from the get-go? Or were they originally just aiming for the traditional (and failing) monolithic centralized concept? If bluesky wasn't originally federated, but added it afterwards, that's even more irritating that they didn't use a published standard for a new feature.

      He reminds me of a buddy of mine who built an eCommerce bridge application to cross sell/dropship between Amazon and Ebay. I don't know how I feel about that...

      I still don't understand WTF Flipboard is; it appears to just be Yahoo news, ie: a bunch of public news articles plopped on a page... How is that federation? Is it considered federated as Wordpress has a federated plugin where blog posts can be sent to users directly via follow requests? Clicking "follow" on a topic just takes me to the register page on Flipboard...

      56min Yeah, the dude in the red shirt has a good point, how "federated" follow count and "internal" follow count is a little awkward. Why is there a differentiation between federation system, (at least when possible).

      Their lack of split screen feels off. Why does each speaker require full screen one-at-a-time when they're having a conversation with each other? It would feel much more natural if they were side by side as they were conversing.

      Yeah... probably not quite the feedback you were interested in, but those were my thoughts as I was listening to the video.

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      Charlie (cdp1337@social.veraciousnetwork.com)'s status on Sunday, 05-May-2024 15:33:53 JST Charlie Charlie

      @BeAware Yeah, I don't have an issue that he's making a bridge or how that bridge handles opt-in / opt-out; I have an issue that he needs to make a bridge in the first place.

      Bluesky should have implemented ActivityPub when they rolled out federation. THEIR software should handle .....

      OH, wait.... does Bluesky just not _want_ to federate or something?

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      Charlie (cdp1337@social.veraciousnetwork.com)'s status on Sunday, 05-May-2024 15:58:28 JST Charlie Charlie

      @BeAware ..... yeah, that's fucking useless. That's just twitter with a reskin.

      But from a corporation standpoint, that move makes sense. Why allow users the freedom to choose where they reside? You are just losing market share (and thus losing stock valuation, which we all know is the only thing most corporations give a fuck about).

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      vetehinen@lethallava.land's status on Monday, 06-May-2024 00:39:58 JST vetehinen vetehinen
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      @BeAware@social.beaware.live well to be fair many people might be shouting for threads to be opt-in if Meta had not chosen to make it so anyway and also the anti-threads energy was channeled more into demands of a complete fediblock

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      vetehinen@lethallava.land's status on Monday, 06-May-2024 00:55:49 JST vetehinen vetehinen

      @BeAware@social.beaware.live Threads only pushes to the fediverse and doesn't take anything in right now so there is nothing to opt-in to for us currently. It's true they might not start asking even when this becomes bidirectional but not sure. I hope they won't make it opt-in tbh.

      But when it comes to how it works now I don't see the difference between Threads and this Bluesky bridge. Just like you can run into posts from Threads without having followed any Threads account you can still run into posts from Bluesky here despite not having opted in to the Bridgy fed bridge.

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