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   Delta Chat (delta@chaos.social)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 19:20:18 JST Delta Chat

   • crepererum
   • maren
   • Janik Besendorf

   @crepererum @stillgreenmoss @ben @besendorf OpenMLS is an almost decade- long effort with the IETF work starting in 2018. We have studied it and are following developments but one known big issue is its dependency on "total message ordering" which can not be easily obtained in federated settings. Several people, including Matrix folks, have tried to remedy it but we do not know of any practical solution to make OpenMLS work reasonably well for non-centralised settings.

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     Raphael Robert (raphaelrobert@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 19:20:16 JST Raphael Robert

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     • crepererum
     • maren
     • Janik Besendorf

     @crepererum @delta @stillgreenmoss @ben @besendorf I can say that MLS works well in a federated environment. Federation has always been part of the picture during the design phase. The fact it doesn’t work in Matrix yet is a Matrix problem, not an MLS problem. MLS is part of the (newish) federated MIMI spec and it also works in our stack. Of course it’s still early days for MLS, but it’s already deployed by e.g. Cisco Webex.

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     crepererum (crepererum@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 19:20:17 JST crepererum

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     • Raphael Robert
     • maren
     • Janik Besendorf

     @delta @stillgreenmoss @ben @besendorf I wonder what @raphaelrobert 's PoV is here. Are there plans to lift "total message ordering" requirement?

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