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    carl marks (tillshadeisgone@blackqueer.life)'s status on Friday, 12-Apr-2024 10:49:22 JST carl marks carl marks
    • Black Fedizens

    Some white folks are continuing to use "fedi HOA" to describe the group of us who are trying to make the fedi a safer place for BIPOC. Seemingly, they have chosen to disregard the previous critiques that have circulated naming that practice as antiblack. So, I am going to quote myself from September of last year.

    The following is an excerpt from this post: https://blackqueer.life/@tillshadeisgone/111073451895257661

    "Our Anti-White Grievance of the Day today is (get your white supremacist bingo cards ready, folks)........APPROPRIATION!

    And just in case you're going to pretend you don't believe me, I'll give you a previous example and the current example. For the ones that need their hands held.

    Our previous example is the word "woke". Woke originated with AAVE some time ago and more recently, in the past several years, has been distorted into almost unrecognizability as an anti-black dogwhistle. How did this happen, you may ask? Why, it's not complicated at all: the covert racists found out a word Black people were using and copied it! Now, similarly to how these instances of racist telephone typically go, they took the word but lost some of the nuance from the term. This led to them frequently misusing it publicly. And once that had started happening, why there was nothing for it but for the overt racists to go ahead and coopt it from the covert racists (who they are obsessed with, by the way) so they could have their dogwhistle term du jour ('politically correct' was starting to wear out). This dogwhistle, mind you, has very little to do with its original usage, but of course they can't tell the difference so they don't care. And so we can see how this was an example of appropriation.

    Our more recent example of this phenomenon is none other than the nasty little number lots of you are tossing about right now, fedi HOA. I'm not the first person to point this out of course, but since when have white people bothered listening the first time? For 10 ally points, can anyone in the class tell me the history of homeowner's associations, housing, and white supremacy? Anyone? Well, in case you don't know, feel free to look it up. Throw in redlining, the wealth gap, and the GI bill while you're at it. Those who do so or are already aware, you can understand why a lot of Black folks who tried fedi have spoken about the feeling of HOA-style treatment they received. Some of you were even the ones doing it! And now, in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AS THE PREVIOUS EXAMPLE, several of you white fedizens started to use the term fedi HOA. Only it's not quite the same thing when you all use it. Lost a bit of nuance, hasn't it? You're not actually talking about a historical comparison of systematic racial discrimination in physical space to systematic racial discrimination in digital space, are you? No, you're using it to mean that Black people and people of color are creating and enforcing boundaries that you don't like.

    So, you can understand why that's not the same thing, right? Some of the nuance got lost in the shuffle? Now, can someone tell me (for 50 ally points this time!) why that's bad? Can anyone identify how appropriation enabled antiblack discrimination in both cases? Anyone at all? How about how abusive it is to get this aggressive over someone else's boundaries? No? Yes?

    Great. Well, at least you learned something."

    @blackfedi

    #TBT #FediblockMeta #WhiteSupremacy #BlackFedi #BlackFediverse #BlackMastodon

    In conversation about a year ago from blackqueer.life permalink

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      the people's eva (@tillshadeisgone@blackqueer.life)
      from the people's eva
      To be honest with you, I'm actually very tired of talking about racism on fedi. I am! Believe it or not, I am. You know, I have other things I could talk about. I could talk about education or mental health, which is actually my field of expertise. Or I could talk about BG3 or Wheel of Time like all the other fantasy nerds. I do have interests, I'm not just some fucking discourse machine here! That's actually, like, what I came on this space to do, you know? Have fun hanging out and talking to people who share some of my interests or relate to me??? But my attempted fun time keeps being interrupted by bullshit all the way from microaggressions to stalking (some of you, by the way, are very... shall we say, unwell? yeah) and ANYWAY. It's very frustrating because I can't hardly turn around on here without some asshole reciting talking points you could have found in Derailing for Dummies over 10 years ago. Our Anti-White Grievance of the Day today is (get your white supremacist bingo cards ready, folks)........APPROPRIATION! And just in case you're going to pretend you don't believe me, I'll give you a previous example and the current example. For the ones that need their hands held. Our previous example is the word "woke". Woke originated with AAVE some time ago and more recently, in the past several years, has been distorted into almost unrecognizability as an anti-black dogwhistle. How did this happen, you may ask? Why, it's not complicated at all: the covert racists found out a word Black people were using and copied it! Now, similarly to how these instances of racist telephone typically go, they took the word but lost some of the nuance from the term. This led to them frequently misusing it publicly. And once that had started happening, why there was nothing for it but for the overt racists to go ahead and coopt it from the covert racists (who they are obsessed with, by the way) so they could have their dogwhistle term du jour (politically correct was starting to wear out). This dogwhistle, mind you, has very little to do with its original usage, but of course they can't tell the difference so they don't care. And so we can see how this was an example of appropriation. Our more recent example of this phenomenon is none other than the nasty little number lots of you are tossing about right now, fedi HOA. I'm not the first person to point this out of course, but since when have white people bothered listening the first time? For 10 ally points, can anyone in the class tell me the history of homeowner's associations, housing, and white supremacy? Anyone? Well, in case you don't know, feel free to look it up. Throw in redlining, the wealth gap, and the GI bill while you're at it. Those who do so or are already aware, you can understand why a lot of Black folks who tried fedi have spoken about the feeling of HOA-style treatment they received. Some of you were even the ones doing it! And now, in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AS THE PREVIOUS EXAMPLE, several of you white fedizens started to use the term fedi HOA. Only it's not quite the same thing when you all use it. Lost a bit of nuance, hasn't it? You're not actually talking about a historical comparison of systematic racial discrimination in physical space to systematic racial discrimination in digital space, are you? No, you're using it to mean that Black people and people of color are creating and enforcing boundaries that you don't like. So, you can understand why that's not the same thing, right? Some of the nuance got lost in the shuffle? Now, can someone tell me (for 50 ally points this time!) why that's bad? Can anyone identify how appropriation enabled antiblack discrimination in both cases? Anyone at all? How about how abusive it is to get this aggressive over someone else's boundaries? No? Yes? Great. Well, at least you learned something.
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      Eppy NWS (eppynws@bark.lgbt)'s status on Thursday, 29-Aug-2024 06:36:39 JST Eppy NWS Eppy NWS
      in reply to
      • Neichan 🏳️‍⚧️

      @neitahchan @tillshadeisgone

      Also, unfortunately, a LOT of the instances that are getting dinged and defederated-from and Real Mad About It are some of the bigger queer-tech instances. There is a real insidious attitude of "I can't be racist; I'm queer!" That leads to instance admins and mods of some rather large servers taking criticism as slander/libel.. so rather than improve or adjust, they sort of just go "welp, nothing to be done" and make with the name-calling and assuring themselves that nothing of value is on the instances that defederated from them anyways.

      In conversation about 9 months ago permalink
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      Eppy NWS (eppynws@bark.lgbt)'s status on Thursday, 29-Aug-2024 06:36:40 JST Eppy NWS Eppy NWS
      in reply to
      • Neichan 🏳️‍⚧️
      • Black Fedizens

      @neitahchan @tillshadeisgone @blackfedi

      Home Owners Association.

      Associations of Home Owners with legal covenants set up in US suburbs like Levittown that were ostensibly to help maintain property values by setting guidelines for how often the lawn needed to be mowed and impose little fees and impose leins for not fixing issues and broken down cars in driveways and whatnot...

      ... but really were just used to keep Brown/Black People out of Suburbs that white people were flying to during white flight.

      Now lots of (mostly white admined) fediverse instances are upset because Black instance admins and allies are basically going "if you do not answer these sorts of reports of racism coming from your instance, you will be put on a list with examples of the trash you allow to spread we and a lot of other instances will defederate from you".

      In conversation about 9 months ago permalink
      carl marks repeated this.
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      Neichan 🏳️‍⚧️ (neitahchan@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 29-Aug-2024 06:36:41 JST Neichan 🏳️‍⚧️ Neichan 🏳️‍⚧️
      in reply to
      • Black Fedizens

      @tillshadeisgone @blackfedi I'm sorry to ask, but it's the first time I read about "fedi HOA", what is that supposed to mean ? I guess it's an acronym, but I can't find what it's an acronym of ^^'

      In conversation about 9 months ago permalink

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